Has anyone been to the Angeles national forest?

I'm about to become homeless in Los Angeles. Please help me.

  • I'm 24, female, college-educated, and I'm about to become homeless in Los Angeles. Please hope me. Anonymous because I'm so humiliated. I moved to the Los Angeles area in September to live with a friend. It turns out that this friend has serious mental health issues that I did not know about before moving in with him. He's threatened to kick me out pretty much every other week since I arrived for various perceived infractions, but at this point, it appears that I need to leave imminently, for his sake and for mine. It's not fair to either of us to deal with this kind of stress, and to be perfectly honest, I don't think I can handle it very much longer. It is absolutely exhausting, both mentally and emotionally, to cope with his angry outbursts. I have been leaving the house all day every day in an attempt to give him some space, but he waits for me to get home and then launches into a diatribe. The strange part is that sometimes he's incredibly solicitous and invites me to hang out in the living room or watch TV with him, as we used to do when we were friends. This unpredictability has been the worst part, probably because it is so very like my (dysfunctional) family of origin. I'm originally from the Midwest, but I have nowhere to go there, either. My mother is an alcoholic and drug addict who was homeless herself until she moved in with her enabler boyfriend this fall. Like most addicts, she seems to be surrounded by an enormous vortex of drama, which I know I'd be sucked into as soon as I moved back. I have a sister in my hometown as well, but she lives with a boyfriend and they're really living paycheck-to-paycheck themselves. My dad lives out of the country. We haven't spoken very much over the past 12 years or so, but we've been emailing a bit recently. I don't think he knows just how desperate my situation is, and I don't believe he's able to help me. My family history is full of instability, which I think is why the stress of this situation is getting to me so much. When my parents divorced, my mother began to drink heavily and use drugs, my father disappeared, we lost our house, our car, and almost everything we owned, I had zero adult supervision or guidance, and basically things were very difficult for a long time. All of this ridiculous behavior from my friend is bringing back memories of my mother at her very worst, which is unpleasant. I wasn't planning to stay in Los Angeles permanently, but the longer I stayed here, the more convinced I became that my hometown is a pretty toxic environment for me. I want to build a real adult life for myself, and I don't see that it's possible there. Furthermore, I don't have a job anywhere to live there, either, and if I'm going to be homeless, I'd rather do it in Los Angeles, where I won't freeze to death. I have made several pretty grave miscalculations which have put me in this position, and I acknowledge that I am at fault. First, I am six credits short of a BA - my mother ended up hospitalized for life-threatening complications of alcoholism during the second semester of my senior year, and the ensuing turmoil made it impossible for me to concentrate on my studies. I know this was a huge mistake. I've called the university and have a plan for finishing the degree, but obviously have more pressing concerns at this time. Second, since I did not plan to stay here in southern California permanently, I didn't start looking for work until November. Of course, nobody looks at resumes over the holidays, so things are just starting to pick up now. I've had one interview and have at least 40 other applications in, so I really feel that it's only a matter of time before something works out. So, basically, I just need somewhere to stay for a few more weeks before I find a job. I'm thinking about finding a tent and camping in the Angeles National Forest. I'm not very big or imposing, so I'm very reluctant to sleep in a park or anything like that. I do not own a car. If I knew someone with a backyard or a couch, I'd sleep there, but I don't know anyone here except for my "friend." I am allowed to stay in the house until January 31. I'm sorry this is so long, but obviously I'm experiencing a lot of anxiety about this situation. What should I do? How can I manage this crippling anxiety while I'm trying to figure things out? Right now, I can't sleep or eat (my typical response to stress, unfortunately). Any advice at all is welcomed. If you'd like to email me, I can be reached at [email protected] Thank you so much.

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    Some outside-the-box thoughts, presented in no coherent order as I am still working on morning coffee: Depending on location, you can often buy a relatively cheap round-trip Greyhound ticket; if you time it right, you can get half a night's sleep outbound and the rest inbound, for a lot less than any lodging would cost. If you have an out-of-state ID still, you may be able to find affordable space at a hostel. (Many, especially in big cities, will not give rooms to in-state residents, for fear they'll turn into de facto homeless shelters.) Pulling up stakes at this point and relocating to an unfamiliar smaller city is a potentially bad move on a lot of levels - you won't know the area, fewer social services, et cetera - but on the other hand, the cost of living in California is insane. If you've established residency in California, a smaller city might offer more affordable costs, and possibly more job opportunities - or it could just make things worse. I have no constructive advice to offer on this point other than, think it through very carefully. This may have completely changed due to the current economy, but historically, an out-of-state visitor to Las Vegas could obtain a ton of perks and coupon books based on the idea that once lured into a casino, said tourist would be more likely to drop money... Though with the current economy, I would not make this assumption without checking first. But if it does still hold true, you might just be able to convert a smallish amount of money into that overnight-sleeping-bus-trip and a damn good buffet meal - which is not only marginally better nutrition than fast food meals, but also more self-empowering in terms of turning a negative situation into a positive one. By no means sleep in a park, or any public place, unless you feel capable and confident in your ability to awaken from a deep sleep and defend yourself by pure reflex (and there are very many Big Strong Scary people who also fail this test, so no shame there.) If you do find yourself without options - become nocturnal: spend your nights awake and alert, and sleep in the daytime. This will be marginally safer than the alternative. If you have the ability to take shelter in a vehicle, your best bet would be a commercial-style windowless cargo van that will blend in as "just another vehicle" wherever you park it; this can be done, and very safely, if and only if you are properly prepared to live out of a vehicle. Fortunately, there are a LARGE number of resources on the web by and for van-dwellers - those who do it by choice, those forced to it from necessity, and those whose situations are somewhere in the middle. If you or anyone is interested in this information, let me know and I will be happy to point you in some pertinent directions. However, do not make plans to live in a vehicle unless you are licensed to drive, and the vehicle can be kept properly registered, insured, and kept running. Living out of a derelict vehicle can and will cause you WAY more trouble than it's worth. I know nothing about this from personal experience, but I've had friends who've kept themselves off the street by taking volunteer positions that offered little to no payment, but provided room and board. I have no real idea where to find such a thing, and obviously you would have to be VERY VERY VERY careful to pre-screen such an opportunity to make sure you're not being lured into a dangerous situation - something that is hard to do when you're desperate and grasping at straws - but maybe you or someone else can take that idea somewhere useful. Unlike some other people, I WOULD NOT advise you to return home. Yes, you might find physical shelter, but the damage to your psyche - as well as to your confidence in your ability to escape a second time - could well be irreparable. You CAN find a way through this that doesn't require you to willingly return to a damaging situation - it will be a challenge, but you can do it, and the strength you will gain from having done it will be immeasurably valuable. No, really. If you are going to end up on the street, and there is no way to avert it, don't panic; it does not have to be the end of the world. There are a couple of things to remember, if you're to find your way back out: 1) People, especially employers and law enforcement, will make judgements on you and your worth based on how you look and smell, so always make sure you are clean and neatly dressed. This requires locating public bathroom facilities where you can safely and inconspicuously change clothing and do some quick sponge-bathing. Make sure you keep a couple of washcloths and a small plastic bottle for this purpose - you can fill the bottle at the sink and take it with you into the stall, then rinse the washcloths on the way out. If you have long hair, cut it - you won't be able to keep it clean, whereas short hair can be given a quick wash in a sink if you time it right. If you have a beard, shave it. And it would be a really good time to tone down any personal stylings that could be considered "counter-culture" in any way, as you will want to avoid drawing notice as much as possible. 2) Any job that stands a chance of pulling you back out of the hole will require an address and a means of contact, so before your money runs out make sure you have a P.O. box and some manner of phone service. Don't get one at the Post Office; use one of the shipping stores, they have street addresses that look more like a "normal" address. Make sure it's at a location you can get to easily. Phone service can be a cheap prepaid cell (as long as your minutes don't expire!) or, if you're carrying a laptop, Google Voice or Skype (but make sure you know in advance where you can leech wi-fi inconspicuously). Make backup arrangements for how you'll retrieve messages if your phone or laptop is lost, broken or stolen. 3) Your stuff will have to be gotten rid of, or stored; your effective possessions will be whatever you can carry with you unaided and without drawing attention, i.e. a backpack. Make sure this contains at least two changes of clothes, toiletries, and as little valuable/heavy stuff as possible, and remember that there should never be a time when some portion of that backpack is not in direct contact with your skin, or where another party can open the backpack without you being aware of it. This is in fact the best way to not get robbed in almost every situation. ;) 4) Aside from your appearance, the other factor on which you will be judged is attitude. SMILE. No matter how hard it is. Don't fall into resentment, anger, depression - yes, OMG, easier said than done! but seriously, the most dangerous factor of being homeless is NOT survival itself, it's what happens to your self-image when you start thinking of yourself as helpless, worthless, useless, and everyone else as self-righteous entitled bastards. Your top priority, above all else, has to be your own sense of self-worth. Anything and everything you can do to keep yourself motivated and maintain your self-image is going to be crucial. Make yourself make that long walk to the place that might be hiring, even if you're so discouraged by the last 25 no-responses that you can barely will your feet to move. Find that smile, even if you have to manually move the muscles of your face to get 'em into position. Sheer, brute stubbornness, if nothing else. Just one more step. And then another. And then one more. Above and beyond all else, try your best to remember this: You are at a point in your life when it seems that your entire fate hangs in the balance, and disaster is imminent, and all hope is lost, and it is absolutely terrifying. Yes. But you've seen this moment before, haven't you? Of course you have. We all have, in every movie and book ever written. This is the moment that happens just before the hero concocts some daring, foolhardy, desperate plan, and wades into battle against impossible odds, and saves the world. Life's like a movie. Write your own ending. You have that power. You have that strength. Everything's going to be okay. <3

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Forget the camping. Just get out. Stabilize a bit, then think about stuff like college, job etc etc etc. Trying to make a situation like this better, even for a short time, will very likely not end well. Get the advice from a local women's shelter. Here are some LA Women's shelters. Beyond Shelter - (213) 252-0772 For Women Only, Inc. - (213) 359-0839 Lamp Inc - (213) 488-9559 Shelter First, Inc. - (213) 622-4972 Weingart Center Association - (213) 627-5302 Acme Homeless Shelter - (213)555-1212 My Sisters Keeper - (323) 224-0204 Women S Network For Cancer Prevention - (323) 299-8570 National Council Of Jewish Women Incorporated - (323) 651-2930 Faithful Service Outreach - (323) 735-7162 Good Shepherd Shelter - (323) 737-6111 Old Time Faith Inc - (323) 747-7419 Southern California Alcohol And Drug Programs, Inc. - (323) 780-7285 Relief International - (323) 932-7888

lampshade

I wouldn't normally suggest this without a career plan and safety net, but have you looked into student loans and student grants/assistance? If you are able to borrow money to finish your degree, including basic living expenses, you can kill two birds with one deferred-payment stone. Finish your degree and have a room to live while you look for work and find your feet. State residence stuff will probably apply though.

-harlequin-

The Angeles National Forest is not a safe place to do this. It is notorious as a dumping ground for murder victims. And beyond that, it's routinely dangerous for hikers and other tourists. It's vast, unpopulated, and tricky terrain. People die there. Don't do this.

jann

From the OP:The night I posted the original thread, my roommate had texted me, "Come get your shit," which is his usual way of threatening to kick me out. I didn't have anywhere else to go, so I went back to the house and just ignored the raging because my resources were pretty much spent. Right now, he's acting like nothing ever happened which is also usual, but if the past is any indication, things will get bad again by the weekend. Right now I'm just enjoying the lull. I've had lots of offers to hang out, but I may spend the weekend by myself, just trying to catch my breath and looking over all the resources in this thread. I am overwhelmed with the response! Things I've accomplished since posting my panicked thread: I applied for and received emergency EBT, which is a huge help. Now all of my (incredibly meager) savings won't be literally eaten up. The emergency application requires sitting at the DPSS office for several hours a day for three days. Tomorrow is the final day, and I should get the card then. Though it's kind of a pain to walk there and sit, I am so grateful to have these resources available. It's really nice to not have to worry about where my next meal is going to come from. Another good thing is that California requires all food stamp recipients to perform 24 hours of community service per month. I'm looking forward to having a reason to get out of the house and do something that doesn't involve panicking over my job search. I also had to register with the California employment office, which may be helpful. At any rate, it can't hurt. I've decided to abandon the camping idea. Some of the ideas posted here are much, much more accessible, though I do have camping experience. I can afford a hostel stay and transportation thanks to the generosity of MeFites. I was always taught not to accept help from anyone, so it's difficult for me, but I am grateful to all of you beyond what I am able to express. I promise that as soon as I am able, I'll come back and tell you all how I've repaid your kindnesses. I registered with two temp agencies in downtown LA, since I'm not having much luck looking on my own. I filled out 10 other applications as well, and am feeling particularly optimistic about one, as it is almost directly relevant to the coursework I did in university. Since I can afford transportation now, I am planning to go out to Santa Monica this weekend to scope out some of the resources there, since it seems to be the nexus of sorts. It's so nice to have the freedom to go places without having to walk for miles and miles! Anyway, I'm feeling much less desperate now than I was previously. I still have moments of overwhelming anxiety, but overall, it's as though things have slowed down enough so that I can control what is happening to me. Previously, I was allowing myself to get so worked up with stress that I was pretty much nonfunctional and not able to help myself. In the past few days, I've been trying to stop and take a step back before it gets to that point. I take a job-hunt break before I get the feeling of "oh my God, none of these are a match for me, I'll never find ANYTHING, I need to look through 100 more postings!!!!1" Also, I'll confess that I've been taking a few minutes at night to lie on my bed in the dark with a stuffed dog I've had for 20 years and listen to an...Enya playlist. It's so mortifying, but my dad listened to her when I was little and it's good for chilling out. If this weren't anon, I'd never confess that, but there you have it. All of you are amazing, and have really given me some hope where previously there was none. I am in a much better place right now. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

jessamyn

Hi - I don't have any specific advice for you, but I live in LA. I am not able to offer a place to stay right now, but I'd be happy to offer any other support I can - I can drive to where you are, and we could brainstorm some ideas over coffee, or I could drive you to a women's shelter and check it out with you. You can memail me or email me (my email is in my profile).

insectosaurus

I wanted to add one way to keep more money in your pocket right now: food stamps! Since you don't have any income and I am assuming you have less than 1k in cash resources, you most definitely qualify for food stamps. Specifically, you probably qualify for *emergency* food stamps - which means Social Services can issue you a card with money for buying groceries the same day. You can walk into your local Social Services office, fill out a form, meet with a case manager, and leave (probably hours later) with a card. It works like a debit card and you can use it pretty much anywhere (including at Whole Foods and other grocery stores). The amount of "money" you get varies, but most individuals I know get around $200 per month. It might be different in California but whatever it is, it'll help. I also want to second temp agencies. When my back was against the wall financially, working for temp agencies got me through it. With less than $500 to my name, I signed up with two agencies. A day later, I was folding clothes at some sample sale for $11 an hour. I did that for two weeks until the other temp agency called and offered me an incoming-call-center job for 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, with overtime pay. It sucked, but I did it for a month, made a few grand, and hung in there until I found a stable job with some medical benefits. Find a few temp agencies, fill out their forms, and see what you can get offered. I have to disagree with the previous comments suggesting that you pursue a spot at a women's shelter for abuse victims. I used to work for such an agency and the number of people requesting a space far outnumbers the available beds. Because of that, those shelters have screening tools and often can only take people who are in imminent physical danger of being killed by their abuser. I wish there were more resources to help people, but that is how the shelter I worked at prioritized cases -- and it is my understanding that it's standard practice.

pinetree

I'm sorry this is happening to you! Please don't be embarrassed. And, I agree, don't go live in the woods - I think it will compound the difficulty in moving on from this situation. For your own mental health, I encourage you to revisit your personal narrative. Yes, you have turmoil in your family and background, no safety net and you haven't quite finished college. Guess what? That is the story of many, many people. And those people have managed, like a phoenix, to rise from the ashes and put together a life for themselves. This is where you are. Coming to a new city for a guy where it didn't work out is the other heroic, Go West, Young Lady! tale of success and redemption. You can do this! Don't give your roommate another penny. Investigate shelter opportunities and go visit local community colleges ASAP! It may take more than one term's worth of credits to finish your education. This is okay. The admissions and academic counseling services at LA's many very good community colleges will help you make sense of this and you may be able to apply for a diploma from your university with transfer credits. When you are talking to any of these services ask if they know where you can get help creating a budget. No matter what, you will be on a shoestring for awhile and you can't afford to squander. Apply for any and every kind of legitimate job right now. Work your network. At a minimum, you need somewhere that is your mailbox. Without unloading your whole history on people (except social services) you can confide that your current guy (roommate, boyfriend, cousin, whatever) is abusing you and you need to get away. But, you got to keep your head up and your feet moving. Eat as healthy as you can everyday. Drink lots of water. Avoid drugs and alcohol. And don't stop until things sort out. You are not the first to go through this. Not the first by far! You are strong. You can do this! It will work out. Believe in yourself. Once things get sorted out you can give yourself permission to be down and hard on yourself but not until then. Get busy! I believe in you!

amanda

What situation did you move out of exactly? Living with your mother? I think you should really, really re-think the idea of living outdoors, in any State. My opinion is you should strongly consider turning to your family, despite how fucked up they are - sister, mother, or father. Camping/living outside is a *terrible* idea. Also, you don't have a job and you don't know that you're going to get one, you're just presuming so. If that doesn't pan out you will be *screwed*. It honestly doesn't sound like you're appreciating the gravity of being homeless. If you're family aren't violent, I would get the hell out of L.A. pronto.

facetious

I can be in Pasadena all day Thursday and can take you anywhere you need to go. Anywhere. Including to Venice Beach and back.

jbenben

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