How much contact is appropriate after a break-up?
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I broke up with my then-fiancée in September 2012. What is the appropriate amount of contact after a break-up? I've struggled with finding a good balance. Give me some advice for the next go-round. I'm 22 (m) and have had 3 dating relationships. The first, in high school, and the second, freshman year of college, each lasted about 6 months. I started and ended both of these relationships. After I broke up with each of them, I think I held on too much, didn't know how to end things well, and initiated too much contact. I had no intention of getting back together with them, but it was one of those things where I missed having someone to hang out with. I would call or text or email every so often and just check up on said ex-girlfriend. I realize this was not good on my part, and it didn't give them the space to get over me, especially after I was the one who broke up with them. They never mentioned that they didn't want to hear from me; in fact, both clearly said they still liked talking to me and keeping in touch. When they both verbalized (one very directly) that they were hoping I would reconsider going back into the relationship, I realized that keeping up communications was really selfish of me. I put their hopes to rest and decided I didn't want to go down that road of confusion again. Fast forward 3 years, I was engaged and broke up with my fiancée. I'm not looking for a perspective on the appropriate age or time of life to get engaged/married...let's just say that I thought I was ready, then realized I'm not, and am glad I realized that before we actually got married. Anyway, I broke up with her in September (tried to follow Miko's advice which seems pretty solid) and, remembering that I didn't want to repeat what I had done with the other two relationships, went completely no-contact. And I mean, completely - no calls, no texts, no tweets. We still live in the same town but our social circles really weren't very entwined so I had no difficulties separating socially. We have, for the most part, completely separate sets of friends. I don't have facebook so that wasn't an issue. I didn't see her for almost 4 months. The no-contact strategy seemed highly recommended by this site and other individuals. There were 2 times between September and the end of the year where she contacted me about very specific things, and I did my best to reply politely but not make it seem like there would be any further contact beyond what she had asked about. We ended up running into each other at a hockey game on NYE. She texted me and asked if we could chat sometime, and I said that would be fine, so we did a few days later. At this meeting, not only did she re-express feelings for me, but also criticized me for not keeping in touch. She said she was very worried about me after the break-up and that I should have updated her once in a while just to let her know how I was doing, if I was alive, if there was another girl in the picture, and to ask her how she was doing as well. Evidently, my very strict no-contact had not helped her move on and she was still holding on to the hope that we might end up together, even though I have zero thoughts about doing so and every time she has asked about that I have firmly stated it is not a possibility. Going forward, she requested that I let her know when I start dating someone else because she thinks that will make it easier for her to get over me. I said I probably won't do that because I don't have any idea when that will happen and plus why does it matter to you? She said that it seemed like I didn't care about her heart at all if I wouldn't even tell her when I had found someone else. So...what's your take on the contact/no-contact approaches after break-ups? For me, going no-contact was just what I needed to move on. I don't feel ties to her as anything more than a distant friend. But is that just because I was the one initiating the break-up? I don't despise any of the girls I've dated, but I had come to think that no-contact mode was generally the best way to go. I don't plan on contacting her when I get back from living abroad in July, or when I start grad school in August, or when I start dating someone else whenever that is. Is that wrong of me? My ex-fiancée certainly seemed to think it was disrespectful to break her heart and then disappear into the wind. I can be somewhat of a loner, so the disappearing act is no problem for me. tl;dr: From both perspectives of being broken up with and being the one who is initiating the break-up, what worked the best or caused the least pain for both parties as far as keeping in touch post-break-up? Or do you see something in my specific experience that you can relate to or help me see what I should do better?
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She is the one who is out of line. This is weird and inappropriate behavior. Sheesh people. Have a little sympathy. She was attached enough to someone to have planned on marrying the person, then one day their relationship was suddenly over. This has to be not unlike a death. I can hardly imagine many things more painful in the human lifespan. The girl is also in her early 20's. It might or might not have been her first significant love. No contact is best for her in the long run because the poster is probably incompetent to do anything else to make it easier on her. So yes, keep up the no contact, from a practical standpoint only. But it doesn't mean that she's somehow fucked up. This woman is and probably was suffering. It would blow my mind if I were engaged to someone, then the engagement was suddenly over and I never spoke with the person again starting the next day.
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Going forward, she requested that I let her know when I start dating someone else because she thinks that will make it easier for her to get over me. This is weird and inappropriate behavior. You do not owe her a running debriefing of your love life because she would appreciate that for whatever weird and inappropriate reason she has. If no-contact-permanently works for you, then that is what you should do. The terms of the breakup isn't something both parties have to consent to.
griphus
I also think you fucked with her head a bit by breaking up with her and going "no contact" the very next day. I bet that was shocking and traumatic for her. People often "get stuck" in shocking and traumatic moments. I don't know how you help her now. Don't go overboard here! What's done is done. Just... Maybe be a little less abrupt next time? Provide a little warning that you are going to do the "no contact" thing, as well. It's something to think about for next time.
jbenben
You dumped her for good reasons and then went cold turkey on her. As someone who was engaged recently and had this happen to her, let me tell you: it was the worst experience of my life to discover that my fiancé was not in love with me and that he had no interest in being with me anymore. You know what the worst part was? He became totally paternalistic and started checking up on me regularly to make sure I hadn't killed myself in grief. Oh yes! That was charming. I would have rathered he dropped off the face of the earth or given me a second chance but none of that I between guilty shit. That's what she's dealing with right now: the reality of what you did, and the tug of seeing you again and wondering why it just can't start back up again. Unless you didn't give her a concrete reason for why you ended the engagement the first time around, you need to tell her point blank, "Contact is too difficult and it is interfering with our ability to move on. We must go our separate ways completely. I wish you well, and I will treasure the times we had together, but we are not compatible and I cannot remain in contact with you." Have some sympathy for the ex in this situation, people. Being dumped while engaged is devastating. She's not crazy -- she's trying to figure out what the hell happened to ruin her once-in-progress marriage. OP, you staying in contact equals shitty and manipulative and self-serving. Stay away.
These Birds of a Feather
Her being "very worried" is manipulative, and probably mostly a lie. As is the thing about wanting to know if you're seeing someone. Or her partner, the man she was planning on marrying because they were engaged, suddenly left her and stopped speaking with her. If that happened to me, I'd be pretty worried about my ex, too. It sounds like this was sort of a surprise to her, and she is probably trying to understand what happened. That's also why she wants to know if there's someone else involved: this kind of event is often (not always) precipitated by infidelity, and she's probably trying to make meaning of this very shocking thing that happened. Planning to spend the rest of your life with someone and then having yourself cut out of their life entirely is a very surprising and scary thing. She's not being manipulative as much as she's trying to figure this all out and move on.
k8lin
Did you guys talk about the impending breakup before you broke up, so she was more emotionally prepared, or did you just say, "hey, this isn't working for me, bye". I think that has a lot to do with how the after break up plays out. If you just left, you probably left her in shock, which makes going forward so much harder for her to process and keeps the hope alive. She still has hope if she wants to know when you start dating someone else. It might be that there wasn't any real closure (which is why I love the idea of going to a relationship counselor to break up). This being said, what she wants, contact, is probably going to be the hardest for her, so I do, personally, think the no contact is for the best. But it should have been discussed a bit (which it doesn't sound like it was, I could be wrong) so she knew what to expect going into the future.
Vaike
There's a big difference between going no-contact on a former GF and someone who was a would-be life partner. Big difference. Context is a very important thing here. She thought she was going to spend the rest of her life with you. And then nothing. That is a big thing, particularly for someone so young. As jbenben said, it's traumatic. But as a separate issue, you don't owe her any information about who you're dating. And you don't really owe her any further communication if it's difficult for you. But I would have a great deal of compassion here for your ex-fiancee - going no-contact on someone you were going to marry (unless it's an abusive situation) is just not a thing to do.
heyjude
May I gently suggest, then, that if you are already over what happened after only 4 months, the degree to which the your ex is feeling jilted is now extremely understandable and her behavior not at all that surprising. Do not reveal that reality to her if you do somehow wind up in contact with her again unintentionally, because that will hurt her more than you can possibly imagine. And obviously, don't propose to anybody you could conceivavbly get over in just 4 months, but that kind of goes without saying. Hopefully both of you will find better matches in the future.
These Birds of a Feather
I asked http://ask.metafilter.com/225030/How-long-should-we-wait-before-trying-to-be-friends about how long the no-contact period should be, you might find it helpful. http://ask.metafilter.com/225030/How-long-should-we-wait-before-trying-to-be-friends#3254946 was the most helpful answer for me: "You've got a date? Hope you have fun!" "Oh you're engaged! so awesome!" "You and Jessica are having a baby?! when's the shower?" When uttering any these sentences would have the same weight with your ex as anyone else: then you can start talking. When all of them do: then you can start being real friends. That's my rule of thumb.
DoubleLune
I was in a 3 year relationship. We lived together, but then had to live on different coasts because we were both in the Navy and got orders to different places 1.5 years in. At the 3 year mark, when we now were stationed only 2 hours away from each other, he pulled what you did... just called it off, cut off contact, and basically disappeared. I coulda used an explanation. I coulda used some closure. He didn't act like an adult, he didn't discuss issues or problems, he just cut off all contact. I suspect that's what your ex is hoping for... for some sort of REASONING as to what happened and why. Oh and my ex? EIGHT years later he tried to reach out to me, like it was something from a long time ago that we'd just grown and learned from. He hurt me, BAD, with his silence. Yes, I've moved on, but he's still a jerk. And I'll have nothing to do with him. My advice to you would be to man up and quit jerking around with people's emotions. Just be honest and communicate. I'd rather hear an EXPLANATION for what was wrong and why the relationship wasn't going to work than him just leaving me in the dark eternally wondering, while I cried to my mom on the phone, wondering what was wrong with me.
matty
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