What is a reasonable expectation for couple time?
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What is a reasonable expectation for 'couple time' on a typical evening? I'd like some perspectives on how people manage the balance between 'alone' time and 'couple' time. I feel like I want my partner to spend more time with me, but I am not sure if my expectations are reasonable or not. The details: - We are both mid-30s, have been together a year and a half, living together six months (so we are still ironing out the kinks in the living arrangement) - We both work; I am home between 5 and 6:15 depending on my afternoon schedule. He has a longer commute and is home between 6:30 and 7:30. On a good evening, he'll spend ten minutes or so when he gets home saying hello, opening mail, checking internet etc. Then he'll go work out for an hour at the gym in his parents building. He's usually back by 7:30; sometimes, he will eat dinner with me (or we will go out) and sometimes he will want some 'alone time' and eat in front of the computer. After that, he will sometimes watch a movie with me and sometimes play video games (we have a few he will play with me as well). I have been able to get him into the habit of coming to bed with me most of the time; if he is not at all tired, he may stay up (if I ask, he'll come say goodnight to me before returning to whatever he was doing) but usually he'll come to bed and we'll read in bed together and cuddle. What I find challenging though is the nights where he seems to spend ALL the time on him: home, then to the gym, then eats at the computer so he can check the baseball cards on ebay, then an hour or so on the video games because he needs the 'me' time, and by then it's 10 pm and he's barely said boo to me. And if I ask him to, he'll get snippy that he's been at work all day and needs some time for himself (okay, but it's 10 pm by then so what were the last four hours about?) I get that he needs to relax. I need to relax too though, and one of the ways that I do that is by reconnecting with him. Is it reasonable to ask him to not do the baseball cards EVERY night? To pick two of his hobbies but not all three? Or to shorten the duration so he is done at a certain time so we can schedule some time together? I don't want to be that needy, demanding partner who codependently can't get along without him, but I do feel like sometimes I am not as compelling to him as the mantoys are, and I'm not sure what I can do to make him *want* to choose me instead, or even if that is a fair and worthwhile goal. I am okay with the occassional night where he just does his own thing because he needs the time, but when it gets to three or four days in a row like that, my insecurity monster kicks in and I wonder why I am not as 'relaxing' for him as the other stuff is. And I worry about getting him used to habits where he is so used to this 'me' time that if we have kids, all the work will be on me. And---sorry for the length here, but two special snowflake details worth mentioning---on his part, he has a chronic medical condition for which he takes medication which makes him prone to fatigue. So I get that he does need a certain amount of relaxing/unwinding time. But at the same time, my issue is some residual 'child of divorce' stuff where feeling like I have to beg for attention is a bit of an anxiety trigger. I do feel like many days, I want more time with him than I get, but this issue makes me reluctant to trust my perceptions of whether or not that is valid and fair. So, are my expectations unreasonable? Are his? What is this typically like for most people? This is my first relationship where I have lived with someone, so I don't have much to compare it to. I welcome with much appreaciation any feedback I can get on how to strike the right balance here.
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Answer:
This is negotiated. Everything is. Husbunny and I dine and clean up together. Then he goes to the family room to do what he do, and I go to the bedroom to do what I do (loll around with the kitties watching appalling TV.) We have some shows we watch together, usually we put them on the DVR until "Pride Time". "Pride Time" starts at 10:00 PM. We get in the big bed, pet the kitties (all four of us are the "pride"), and watch whatever we planned on watching. We talk back to the TV, play with the cats, and hang out until one or the other of us gets sleepy. It's nice having it as a routine. I know when I'm going to get my time with him, I know when MY alone time is ending, and we each get to faff around and do whatever makes us happy.
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I started riding a bicycle a few years ago, and if I had my choice, I'd ride more. That riding more would come primarily at the expense of time with my wife. At times, I have ridden a lot and not seen my wife hardly at all for days at a time. She complained about it at one point, and we talked it out, and I pretty much said that although I really like to ride, *she* is my Number One priority. So generally, before I go out for a ride, I ask her first. It is really just a courtesy most of the time and she says to go riding and have a good time. Once in a while, though, she'll say that she'd prefer me to stay home and we spend the evening together. Because the vast majority of the time she doesn't object to my riding, the occasional time that she does, I respect that and do my best to forget that I even considered riding. Before we talked it out, there was clearly a tension between us, almost as if the bicycle was my "mistress". She would sometimes be frustrated because the bike took me away from her when she wanted us to have some together time, and I almost always felt guilty for riding the bike. Now it's all out on the table. She doesn't mind that I ride, as long as she knows that ultimately, she's my Number One priority. We celebrated our 28th anniversary last Sunday, for what it's worth.
Doohickie
I don't want to seem dismissive of your problem, but it absolutely does not matter what other people do. Everybody's partnership is a snowflake. And the more attention and weight you give to "what's usual, what's fair" the less attention you're giving to what is going on between The. Two. Of. You. I'm sure this post will be followed by people giving very sincere advice, and people sharing what they do. But this is what I know, from my own life and sharing the stories of other people: Talk to him. Think about what you want. Talk to him some more. Ask him what he wants. Talk some more. Find the ways that work for the two of you. Good luck! (and the fact that if you really followed my advice you would pay no attention to what I wrote makes my head hurt, so I'm ignoring it.)
kestralwing
Mantoys? Oh, that's not nice. Anyway, you need to read http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2003/03/caring-for-your-introvert/2696/. My husband and I are both different degrees of introverted--he far more than me--and what you describe was pretty much our first year living together, before we both worked at home (which has helped enormously for both of us, since we're not constantly stuck in a cycle of draining socializing/recharging). Having a routine helps us--honestly, for us, usually built around cuddling in front of certain TV shows at the same time every week, so that we know we'll have dedicated time together. So did getting laptops, so we can sit next to each other in our mutual cones of silence staring at the screen. But when it comes down to it, it sounds like you've just got a classic introvert on your hands, and from experience I can tell you that it's going to take a year, maybe two, until he sees your presence as just part of the background noise and not as another draining, demanding person sapping his precious life force away. Do your best not to take it too personally.
PhoBWanKenobi
I had a boyfriend where after several months, I kind of felt like he'd said to himself, "Girlfriend? Check." And then went about his [own] life. And I am an introvert.
thebazilist
Yup. There's nothing "reasonable" in relationships. If I had it my way, we wouldn't even speak two or three days out of the week! Except when I suddenly want attention. Then if he's on the Internet reading about ancient pottery, doing his thing, I get fussy. (Another secret of living together: the things people do alone at home are horrifying from the outside. YOU BET I want to watch three straight seasons of this terrible TV show, pal! You would never have known if you just hadn't moved in with me....) So, yeah. You just transitioned into living together. You've both been living on your own, doing your own things. That's a radical change. Enjoy it! But I think one of the secrets is to have a full life of your own. Do the things you want to do; invite him along when you want. (I didn't hear anything in this about "seeing people" or "going out with friends" which struck me as notable.) And then, if you want more time, make structured plans. Invite him, in advance, to do things with you, whether it's baking or bill-paying or sex.
RJ Reynolds
The only thing unreasonable is the expectation that there is some universal amount of "couple time" and "alone time" that everyone will agree is reasonable. You have to find something that works for you and your boyfriend.
grouse
I'm a pretty introverted introvert. I no longer work away from home, so it's not so big an issue now, but your boyfriend's activities sort of remind me of how I was when I worked in an office. Being around people all day, and having to interact with them, it was exhausting. I rarely had energy for other people, including my ex-husband, when I got home from work. It was really tough, and I didn't really understand that I was an introvert, I thought I was an antisocial freak and that I didn't like spending time with my husband. Maybe he's just set in his ways, not used to integrated another person into his routine, and needs practice. If he's an introvert, it may take some creativity for everyone to have their needs met.
upatree
Do you have regular dates where you get out of the house, away from the internet, in a place where you talk or do something together, exclusively, for some good chunk of time? Try scheduling those rather than framing it as a problem with the specific things he does to unwind.
slow graffiti
What I find challenging though is the nights where he seems to spend ALL the time on him: That's a totally fine thing to do maybe... once or twice a week, IMHO. Go make your own plans to maximise your own "me" time - take a yoga class, have dinner with a friend or a group of friends weekly, find a late night bookstore. FWIW it sounds like the rest of your time together is very together so I think you're fine.
DarlingBri
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