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32 years old... should I go back to school or should I get a job?

  • another thirty-something with only a bachelor's degree uncertain about what to do career-wise. Also uncertain as to what transferable skill(s) to highlight, if any, were I to apply for a job. What should I do with myself? (longgggggggggggg, slightly snowflake-y post ahead) Hi all, and thanks in advance for reading this and attempting to help me. For starters, I'm 32 years old, male, and living in the southeastern US. I had a low point 2 weeks ago and just don't know what to do at this juncture. 1) should I go back to school? Here's my history: I feel as though my education has been useless and that all these years after college, I still have nothing to show for my life. My high school record is quite awesome -- I took a lot of AP courses and did well in almost all of them -- but as a starry-eyed undergrad, I believed the lie that "it doesn't matter what you major in; people will see what you have to offer". So, I studied something useless and, after graduating in 2002 and unable to find a job, I started volunteering. This I did for 3 years, until I felt that nowhere in the country could I be useful. So I did what many idealistic college grads do nowadays: teach English overseas. In my case, I left for China and intended to stay for only one year -- but ended up staying for five. It was just really refreshing to leave my unemployed, friendless, depressing life behind, to escape the American capitalistic culture , to adapt to a new place and make great friends. (Because I had no job, I had no money and few means of making friends stateside, which in turn destroyed my self-esteem.) I had studied a bit of Chinese while in school, but the courses only taught scant material, barely enough to converse. On top of that, my major focused on ethnomusicology and I was / am fascinated by traditional Chinese music. So my goals in going there (and in staying five years!) were to learn more language, study the music, absorb local culture (this was a part of China unfamiliar to most people in the West) and generally escape life for a while. I returned home in 2010, having accomplished much of what I planned and returning with ideas for the future. Although I enjoyed teaching and engaging, guiding and mentoring, by that point I was tired of it and wanted to try something new. With such a lengthy background in one country overseas, I thought I could head towards an international career and get more schooling in law or business towards that aim. But here is what is holding me back: *business school - doesn't quite fit my personality: I'm not driven only by profits nor am I good at butt-kissing just to keep my job / get a raise, course topics don't interest me much *law school - I like working with abstract ideas, so this could be a decent fit, but I don't like how law is taught, and the law field is a mess in the country anyways I have thought about getting a professional degree, but those are specific to one area, and I like to have flexibility in what I do. For example, I've thought about going into audiology, since as a music lover I care very much about my ears. But as a Gemini I tend to be fickle and indecisive; I worry that I won't enjoy it, that I will grow tired quickly of working only with old deaf people. And 4 years spent working towards that undergrad degree was pain enough -- I can't imagine going through so much more education just to land a job. Yet I feel that I need more schooling. I worry that having only a bachelor's degree is not enough to get me anywhere. Others my age have already amassed lots of experience or advanced degrees. There's also all the fresh meat straight from the college dorm. I suppose I fit somewhere in between them on the "experience ladder". One good reason for me to go back to school are my test scores: my GMAT is decent and my GRE kicked butt! (Since the law industry is a mess I have opted not to take the LSAT yet.) (I would like to mention that I would rather not do anything related to my "field", ie my major. No music teacher, no music lessons. Also, I have taught Chinese stateside and would like to try something else.) But preferably I would not yet return to school -- I'd rather get some experience stateside and hopefully save up enough money to pay my way through a program, if need be. Which leads me to this question: 2) Do I have any skills that would be useful / might be impressive? How do I highlight these on my resume? Would they be enough to get me a job reasonably quickly, in this job environment? I would think that I have something I could bring to the table, but what? They are all soft skills associated with teaching, ie communication, can explain well, yada yada. And they are things done without quantifiable or even qualifiable results, so they look rather meh on paper. How can I make them "pop" or seem better than they are? I currently live with the fam in a relatively small city (I'm very lucky to have very patient and caring parents who have fed and housed me all these years), and I understand that job opportunities might be better for me if I were to move away. But that is another issue altogether, one that I will have to ask about later. It might also help to talk about what kind of job I would like to have, but again, that might be better for another question. I realize this post is very long and perhaps unclear. If anything doesn't make sense, just ask and I will clarify. You're helping me, after all, so it's only fair that I help you do that! lol Thank you from the bottom of my heart for reading this and giving advice. I really need some suggestions.

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    Do you speak a dialect of Chinese that is spoken by any sizable immigrant group in the US? Bilingual speech language pathologists make crazy bank. It's a graduate school degree, but iyou would be ridiculously employable, although I suppose it doesn't have much international glitz!

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Have you considered taking the foreign service exam? You sound like a good fit for the foreign service. Check out this website on how to become a http://careers.state.gov/officer/selection-process.

jchaw

Don't go to grad school until you figure out what you want to do with your career. Law school, especially, is an expensive, anxiety-laden, and almost wholly-ineffective path to professional self-discovery.

dixiecupdrinking

It might also help to talk about what kind of job I would like to have, but again, that might be better for another question. No, I think it's pretty critical to this question. Without knowing what you are interested in, would enjoy doing, or would be good at doing, other than the extremely vague "international work," we can't give you meaningful advice.

shivohum

You lived in China for 5 years and speak Chinese? That seems like hugely desirable experience for any number of businessy jobs - would you want to be a cultural liaison or something like that for a big company that wants to do business in China?

LobsterMitten

It seems a real waste NOT to use your Chinese experiences somehow. Could you be interested in doing something related to promoting traditional Chinese music in the States? I don't have any specific job in mind; rather finding people who do something related to it and seeing whether you can help them somehow.

Ender's Friend

What about teaching whatever Chinese traditional music you are interested in? Do you play the instruments? I know obscure music courses at my small liberal arts college are INSANELY popular, including Chinese Music Ensemble. I'm not sure what colleges want from you in terms of teaching something like this, but considering your past in teaching, this is possibly doable. Teaching something you love to college aged students would be quite a different experience than teaching English overseas. I wouldn't discredit it simply because it is teaching.

fuzzysoft

Your main hypothetical skill is chinese language skills, but as you never state what level of skill you obtained with Chinese (Spoken? Written? Can use an IME on a computer?) it is impossible to judge. Law school is a bad idea. Business school is right now shaping up to be similar to law school.

rr

Try to sign up with any Chinese-language oriented translation services -- anything from court witnesses, to prisoner's requests, to hospital patients, etc....You'd be surprised how many truly bilingual, good communicator types ARE NOT doing this type of work due to its unpredictability and need to be flexible....but until something solid pans out...you could try that...... You indicate law school or business school but, and you know yourself, you can't be completely profit minded or too corporate about stuff...... Still, I'd see you as a someone who WANTS to be managerial, perhaps with the international focus you mention....I've often recommended people learn computer science or programming to adapt a "hard" skill in an American employment market dominated by soft skill types BUT, you could sort of blend the two by looking into "alternate" master's that would separate you from the hoards of law school and business school types.... degrees to be a project management professional or something like http://www.scps.nyu.edu/areas-of-study/information-technology/graduate-programs/ms-management-systems/ or http://www.sipa.columbia.edu/prospective_students/index.html Some of such Masters programs can be a crock....but look at where grads are going and look if such programs have good career monitoring and networking and even on campus recruiting opportunities also. GOOD LUCK!

skepticallypleased

The first thing that comes to mind when reading your post is that you've done tons of interesting things, have lots of life experiences that many people your age don't, and have a foreign language skill that is not all that common for the typical monolingual American. These are things to be proud of! You may not have taken the most linear path, but still, your resume will look very appealing for lots of jobs. Have you considered teaching ESL here? You might even be able to fill a specific niche like teaching business English to Chinese businessmen/women. How about trying a job as an international student advisor at a college or a placement coordinator for something like the Peace Corps or some NGO? You may need more advanced degrees, but these are some ideas to consider. You sound like you really want a job that is meaningful to you, and business and law don't strike me as things that you seem that passionate about. Perhaps look into non-profit management? You may want to sort some of this out with a career counselor if you able to do so. But when it comes to job searching, there are lots of jobs out there that look for people with "overseas experience". That's you!

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