When I dream, does it counted as a deep sleep?

To Sleep, Perchance to Not Dream

  • My husband is frequently cranky/off his feed/out of sorts for hours after awakening either in the AM or after our traditional late afternoon nap (we both work from home, have for the past 10 years) and his response whenever I ask "what's wrong?" is usually "I had bad dreams." When he describes his dream it's not necessarily a nightmare, but for some reason it exhausts him mentally. By way of comparison, I will mention that I also regularly have very vivid dreams, most of which I sort of enjoy as far as I know...but sometimes I have very "aggressive" dreams where I'm arguing vehemently with someone, or trying to dial a phone number with no success while I'm being shot at, etc. But whatever the dream, I'm able to more or less shrug it off after I wake up and then go on with my day. Mr. Adams, on the other hand, seems to be mentally and physically exhausted when he has a dream that involves a lot of activity, especially if said dream includes a lot of decision-making (from what he's described to me when I press him for details). For example, the past two days the dreams he's recalled that upset him and made him "not sleep" (even though as far as I could tell he was sound asleep - he usually goes to bed ahead of me at night due to our work schedules, and I hear him sawing logs for hours) were one in which he was at the Joe Louis Arena and someone stole his hockey stick and he was trying to find Lost and Found (no, he's never played hockey in his life and he's not even a fan of the sport), and the other was some complicated scenario involving choosing the correct elevator. Basic dream stuff as far as my own experiences, but for some reason when he wakes up it's like he can't shake his dreams off. He's as tired as if he'd actually been traipsing around the Joe trying to find his hockey stick. He did a sleep study two years ago in search of a solution...he was diagnosed with sleep apnea and given a CPAP machine. But even though he uses the machine regularly every time he goes to bed, he still complains upon waking that his dreams that made him "not sleep" (even though as far as I could tell he was sound asleep) and how his mind won't shut down while he sleeps....that he has to solve problems while awake, and it disturbs him to have to do it in his sleep. Is there a word or term for this? Anyone know of a medical condition that doesn't shut the brain completely down during REM sleep or something so that a person feels actual mental exhaustion due to having to think and reason in his sleep? The sleep study and our rheumatologist haven't really provided any insight....I'm wondering where to look for assistance or how to even posit the problem. Additional info, FWIW: Mr. Adams was dx'd with Type II diabetes a few years ago, but his blood sugar has been successfully maintained via diet and Metformin and Januvia (no insulin injections necessary). He also takes NSAIDS for ankylosing spondylitis (a type of arthritis that affects mainly the spine) and fluoxetine (generic Prozac), but he's been on the latter two since the mid-1990s, long before these dream/sleep problems started.

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    Are you sure that it's not the apnea that's making him tired, and he just thinks it's the dreaming?

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I have a lot of very vivid dreams, and occasionally I'll have an aggressive dream like you describe. They are physically draining. I wake up and my head hurts, my face hurts, my mouth hurts (likely from clenching my teeth), sometimes I'm sweating, my heart is thumping, my body just aches all over--it messes me up. Sometimes it'll fuck me up for the rest of the day. During these dreams, I think I sleep pretty soundly, and am just completely out of it. From the outside I'm sure it looks like I'm getting good, solid sleep, but inside I'm like a hamster running feverishly around in his wheel. It doesn't happen often, thankfully, and that it seems to happen to your husband frequently is really, really unfortunate. I don't know what to tell you, but for me, the effects are very real and physical. What helps for me is to make sure the room is cool enough, that I've got plenty of blankets but am not trapped, that I have enough room to really spread out and move around in bed, and that I'm able to clear my head before sleeping. (I often listen to soothing youtube videos before falling asleep. I don't get the head tingle effect, but ASMR videos are generally good, andhttp://www.youtube.com/user/SOUNDsculptures is just great.) Good luck.

phunniemee

THC (the psychoactive chemical in marijuana) is known to repress and/or shorten REM sleep and with it vivid dreams. If you are located in a place where medical marijuana is available, that could be an option for Mr. Adams. I am so not a doctor or anything like it, and this is not medical advice. Luckily, if this is a viable option for you, you don't have to worry about your husband lighting up a joint before bed, or having baggies of pot laying around the house. Oral ingestion would work just fine.

carsonb

Sorry, that was glib - what I mean is, maybe what's going on is that the apnea is making him tired, but the dream is also vivid in his mind, so he's taking out his frustration at being tired on the dream itself and how it was a stupid dream anyway, I mean why was I looking for a damn hockey stick of all things and now I'm all tired, stupid dream...You know?

EmpressCallipygos

I favorited the Empress' answer, but wanted to elaborate - even if he uses the CPAP religiously, the settings might not be high enough to keep him from obstructing. I'd follow up with the doc who ordered the sleep study as a first step. Snoring loudly while "sleeping" and waking up tired is classic for sleep apnea.

treehorn+bunny

His he too warm while sleeping? That's when I get crazy dreams. I always thought that poor quality sleep meant you remembered your dreams more since you're only really supposed to remember just when close to wakefulness . Maybe that http://www.sleepcycle.com/ app I've never tried would help determine how deeply he's sleeping.

carolr

Taking melatonin has given me dreams like this in the past.

Quonab

It might be time to recheck the Prozac dosage or switch to a different type of med. It could be that his anxiety has been slowly ratcheting up. It can be easy to forget how much anxiety is normal. My understanding is that part of the function of dreams is to process some of that unmet anxiety. For most people, that will mean these sorts of dreams wipe the slate clean and are refreshing. For folks with anxiety issues, beginning that process of ruminative worry starts a cycle of stress that your body can't easily turn off.

politikitty

I have dreams every once in a while like what your husband describes. It feels exactly like that: as if my brain doesn't switch off properly and is very intensively frustrated on a problem. It truly feels like I don't sleep at all when that happens, even though I know that I do (have others confirm that I was sleeping). I do not have sleep apnea nor diabetes. However, it seems like this happens when I'm experiencing extra stress in real life. Does your husband tend to silently dwell on worries? Does he have problems going on that don't seem to have a solution but provide constant back-of-the-mind stress for him? I'd address that first. For me, I don't even realize I'm especially stressed until I have one of those dreams and don't sleep well: then once I address the real-life issue, I sleep and dream normally again.

Eicats

I take a very long time to wake up, if I have gone deeply to sleep. I do not have any sleep disorder, except that the transition between awake and asleep is hell. For some reason, in modern society, it is entirely okay to be cranky and out of sorts for a couple of hours if you are sleepy and hoping to go to sleep soon, it is not okay to be cranky and out of sorts if you are still waking up. By coninky dink, I had some intense dreams last night, woke up at 6, and the images are not entirely out of my head yet. I was off my game for at least two hours because, and I am totally serious, I wasn't entirely awake yet. Try this - stay up two hours past your bedtime. See how you feel. Given that your husband has been diagnosed with a sleep disorder and is on meds, however, you should probably look at this more closely. Maybe it's just who he is. But it may be something that needs fixing.

Lesser Shrew

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