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What kind of luggage to take inter-railing in Europe

  • In October we're going travelling around western Europe by train for several weeks and I need to buy some kind of luggage. I had thought that a ~35-45 litre backpack would be about right, sizewise and for portability. But I've heard from people with direct experience that pickpockets are a big problem in several of the places we're going and that makes backpacks a bad idea. So what kind of luggage should I use that will be reasonable to carry around but still secure given we're changing locations (and thus hotels) regularly. I'm not interested in tips on how to travel light or what to pack. I know there are travellers who sell everything and take off with just a pair of clean underwear in their pocket but I'm not one of them, and it will be fairly cold while we're travelling too. Also, if it matters, we're planning on checking bags for the flights and have already paid for them, so I'm not asking for a small overnight or weekend bag because that is not appropriate for the trip we are taking (plus I have one already). But I don't want to be dragging a heavy suitcase around with me either so some kind of portable luggage item seems necessary. Backpacks are designed for this kind of carrying but I don't see how I can carry one safely in a crowd so that it can't be stolen from. Pickpockets are a real issue but long train holidays are still popular, so I assume there's some solution or best practise that people use for carrying stuff in this situation. What would it be? I don't currently own anything at all suitable so have to buy something regardless of what it is. I'll probably need to make my husband buy something too because he currently thinks he's going to take his 90 litre travel pack which is both way too big and super easy to unzip. We're good for sekrit bags for hiding our money in and that kind of thing, it's the big stuff that we need to sort out. So what kind of luggage, bag, suitcase, pack, whatever - generally or specifically (noting that I live in Ireland and will only buy online from within Europe) - should I be buying for my inter-railing holiday round Europe? I'm specifically worried about the safety/non-stealability aspect since just finding a comfortable pack or rugged carry bag is pretty easy.

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    I say go with a backpack, without wheels, because wheels just add weight. I've done the kind of trip you're proposing as well as other parts of the world with an Eagle Creek travel backpack. As long as the zippers can be locked (you want them to have rings that align to hold a small lock) then you're fine. Be careful about what you put in external pockets, but otherwise if youhttp://www.magellans.com/store/Luggage___Luggage_Accessories___Luggage_Locks___TagsSL742 you're ok. (You can get decent and much cheaper locks than these, I just linked to show the style) When traveling on subways and stuff, I try to take my pack off and put it at my feet, which reduces someone's ability to get into my bag unnoticed. Plus you aren't hitting people when you turn around, which is a bonus. If you are concerned about train travel and your entire bag walking off, then get yourself a cable lock http://www.magellans.com/store/Luggage___Luggage_Accessories___Luggage_Locks___TagsSL104. Or - go old-school and use some zip-ties to tie your bag to the rack. You're trying to prevent someone from just grabbing your bag and running off. Zip-ties offer resistance so they can't do that. Yes, they can cut them if they have a knife and the time to do so. Also I just got http://www.magellans.com/store/Luggage___Luggage_Accessories___Luggage_Locks___TagsSL116 and I like it because it's multi-purpose.

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Backpacks don't make any sense to me, unless you're actually going hiking or biking or something, where every ounce counts and comfort is extremely important. Or if you're going somewhere where roads and infrastructure is less developed and you'll be walking around on dirt roads, or through rough villages. Traveling in much of Europe is much more about arriving at a train station, standing in line, getting a ticket, juggling documents at the ticket window, walking over to get a coffee, walking down the track, get on train, then get out at the destination and to a bus or taxi or walk a short distance to the hostel/hotel. Backpacks are a royal PITA in those situations. If you're in line, you're either wearing them (looking like major tourists and kind of jostling others in line) or they're balanced awkwardly against your leg. You can't stack another bag on top of it, while using another arm for groceries or a handbag or umbrella. If one person needs to go do something, it's difficult for the other to handle two bags at once. Personally, I also like not sticking out by announcing I'm a backpacker to everyone within the immediate area. Dark jeans or black pants, and semi-decent luggage makes you look more like a local than an out and out foreign tourist, which in my experience has meant a dramatic decrease in people trying to hassle us or pick our pockets. Anyway - it depends on the type of travel and location. For regular travel in most of Europe, I'd definitely bring a rolling suitcase, or more likely my Eagle Creek which has serviceable backpack straps and wheels and an extendable handle. I wouldn't go hiking with it, but it's perfect for the rare occasion when a rolly bag isn't useful.

barnone

I used keychain rings - split loops - to keep my zippers zipped when I didn't want to padlock them. It adds just enough difficulty to keep a pickpocketer from stealthily sliding them open.

PussKillian

It turns out that pack shopping in Ireland was a bust, nothing even remotely suitable available anywhere I could get to (to be fair, I live in a small city). But I went to visit my sister in Scotland recently and both pack shopping and outdoor shopping in general over there is awesome. So I came back with an Osprey http://www.ospreypacks.com/en/product/womens/ariel_65_1 for myself and just ordered an http://www.ospreypacks.com/en/product/mens/aether_70_1 for my husband. I ended up with a 65L pack because I could not find the 55L one available anywhere, but it's really adjustable so I'm just going to partially fill it then cinch it down (then try not to use it as an excuse for shopping). We did look at a lot of different packs and bags, keeping in mind the really great advice from here, and the Osprey ones won hands down. I'm super impressed with the quality and looking forward to lugging them around the place. So thanks!

shelleycat

There are backpack things with wheels on the bottom that you can carry on your back or wheel around like a suitcase. And backpacks can often be locked simply by putting a little padlock through the zip(per)s. So it's not an option to be ruled out, necessarily.

pipeski

I have used PacSafe whole-bag mesh with success on an RTW trip (not a PacSafe bag, but rather a collapsible steel cable mesh that completely enveloped my backpack, such that it could be worn while enclosed or else locked to something sturdy). Any security can be defeated by the dedicated thief, but it's only a matter of being the harder of two targets... As for backpacks, I am a recent convert to the Osprey Porter series, having previously used RedOxx (I still love it, but not for long trips) and Dana Design. I most recently used the Osprey on a multi-week multi-country Europe trip and found it eminently reasonable.

aramaic

Yes - get a backpack lock or even, low-tech, some twisty ties to tie the zippers together. The more a thief has to futz with getting your bag open, the less likely they will even bother and the more likely that you will notice. Another advantage of having a smaller pack is that you will be more likely to feel it if someone is trying to open it. If you're sleeping on the train or whatever, use the pack as a pillow, or keep it close to your head, or loop your arm through the straps, again so that you will probably wake up if someone is messing with it.

nakedmolerats

If you're traveling in cold weather, make sure you take into account the bulk of your coat/jacket, in terms of both fit and space. Also, if you're in a crowded place and need to stand still for a while to study a map, try to stand with your back to a wall so it's not exposed while you're distracted. Select a pack with very few outer pockets, especially those that bulge out (which are easier to open without making the mark aware). IMO, backpacks > suitcases because it's so much better to have two hands free at all times. Plus, cobblestones UGH. I always travel with a backpack that I bought for ultralight hiking; it only has one massive pocket that's really unwieldy for a pickpocket to open. In addition, I always walk around with a purse (a shoulder bag with a thick strap) so it's obvious that my backpack doesn't contain any valuables.

acidic

For situations where you arrive before check in time or have to check out long before your train, ask if the hotel will store your bags. I've never had trouble with this, and I never stay anywhere nice. My recommendation for finding a pack is to go to a camping/outdoors store or wherever travel packs are sold near you, and try a bunch on. Last time I went shopping for a pack, my criteria were: ~45 L capacity Comfortable Zip closures around the sides of the bag as opposed top loading and closed with a latch. Under $200 I ended up with an Osprey Kestrel, which has three out of four of those: it's a top loader, which is definitely still my least favorite thing about it.

Sara C.

The Osprey Porter looks really great but it's not available in Europe, ug. Importing one would be super expensive thanks to international postage, VAT and the courier company's made up customs charges, so I really need something I can buy in person or online from within the EU.

shelleycat

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