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Newark Airport to Philadelphia on a Friday night?

  • How do I get from Newark Liberty International Airport to Philadelphiaon a Friday night? My flight arrives around 5:15 p.m. I figured I would take Amtrak to Philadelphia, but now I see that the next train isn't until 6:47, and it's sold out in coach, so I would need a $125 business class seat. In Philly, I'm staying with a friend near Poplar and N 29th St. Here are the options I've figured out: Amtrak: $125, arrive at 8:15 (7:47 plus local transit). Does anyone know what will happen if I reserve tickets and then my plane is late? NJ Transit/SEPTA: $25.75, arrive at 8:55. Downside: additional transfer, less comfy than Amtrak. There's also another itinerary that will get me there a little earlier if I backtrack via Newark Penn Station and add another transfer. Car rental: $81 at Hotwire plus gas (88 mi) and tolls, arrive around 7:30 (30 min + 1:42 for driving). Not sure how easy it will be to park in Philadelphia. Then I have the pain of driving it back to the airport afterward. I'm heading to NYC on Sunday night but taking a train the whole way would be easier. Shared ride shuttle: there are some web sites that advertise such a thing, but they don't list prices and I assume it is expensive. Other sensible options?

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    Regarding Amtrak, my recollection is that as long as you have an Amtrak ticket, you can get on any later Amtrak train on that route. You might give Amtrak a call if you are strongly considering the Amtrak option. This is no longer the case: all travel between NYC and Philly (and I believe elsewhere on the Northeast Corridor) is "Reserved," which means your ticket is good for your train and your train only. You can change at a major station with minimal trouble, but you can't just walk on the other train and "change" the ticket. As for your options: the "back-tracking to Newark" route means you need to be at the EWR NJT station in 36 minutes from the time your plane lands; that's optimistic at best given disembarking, collecting luggage, and getting the EWR AirTrain to the NJT stop. So given the rest of your options, just shelling out for the Amtrak is your best bet if you can afford it. Especially in Business Class, it's quite nice, and so much more pleasant after a flight. I've flown internationally with 99.9999 lbs of luggage, landed at EWR, and waited for the NJT/SEPTA combo, and as soon as I arrived home in Philly, I swore: never again, regardless of cost. I'd also recommend springing for a cab from 30th St Station to your friend's place; it'll be a 10-15 minute ride, affordable, and way better than schlepping across to 22nd St. and then waiting for the 7 or 48 bus.

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One of the problems is that you will be in the middle of rush hour. Having gone to Newark Airport on NJ Transit (from NYC) in that time frame, I say with some authority that you might find yourself riding mostly illegally in the vestibule between cars, especially if you have luggage. Amtrak in business class is pretty nice, and you get free drinks which might be nice after a flight. The shared ride shuttles are kind of crazy - when I took one about 40 miles from Newark to home, it cost me $55 (in 2006). Dunno about the rentals, so I can't help you there.

mephron

Hmm, I agree that Newark Penn Station is unambiguous. It looks like Bolt Bus has added routes while I wasn't looking. Nevertheless, I'm glad you're going with Amtrak.

seachange

Amtrak. Make it easy on you. This will be an unpleasant leg of your trip no matter what you do.

vincele

http://ask.metafilter.com/208049/Newark-Airport-to-Philadelphia-on-a-Friday-night#2999062: "The Bolt Bus option seems ludicrous, frankly. To go from Airtrain -> NJTransit -> maybe PATH ->walking from WTC -> or Penn Station to Subway to then get on bolt to go to Philly. Wouldn't wish on my worst enemy." This isn't right. It'd be Airtrain -> NJTransit (direct to New York Penn Station) -> Exit Penn station at 7th Ave and 33rd and you're across the street from the spot where Bolt Bus leaves. No idea why anyone would take the PATH in this scenario at all, unless they mistakenly got on a NJ transit train to Hoboken instead of straight into NYC Penn.

Grither

As a veteran of the NYC to PHL via NJT and SEPTA, I will give you this advice if you choose to take them: Friday evening is the worst train trip of the week - it can be full of loud people and as you get later into the evening, some may be slightly inebriated. Those ear plugs/headphones you have with you for the flight are your friend. At the Newark Airport train station, I'm not sure if you can buy a ticket from the NJT ticket machine that will get you to Philly or not. If you can, do it. Otherwise you'll be buying a SEPTA ticket in Trenton from a person - SEPTA has no ticket vending machines. On your return trip to NYC, if you choose to use the SEPTA/NJT system, you CAN buy a ticket (two individual tickets in reality) from 30th St Station to NYC Penn Station. Do it all at once to avoid the hassle of having to get an additional ticket as you watch your train leaving the station. In Trenton, so far as I know, the SEPTA train runs every approx 40 minutes. This means that if you miss a train by a few minutes (known to happen), you're waiting a while. If you'd like to have someone to point a finger at, try SEPTA, they refuse to wait for the incoming NJT. They're charming like that. Best seats on the SEPTA train are the ones in the middle of the car - it is just one double seat on each side blocked off from the rest of the car. Grab it if you can. There's also more room for luggage. In terms of getting from one train to another, there will be other people doing this too, ask and follow them, they know what they're doing. Have a fun trip.

sciencegeek

You'll have to research the particulars, but there's a bus called "http://www.boltbus.com/" that runs between Philadelphia's 30th St. Station and NYC's 6th Ave, about five or six blocks away from the WTC. Perhaps you can take the train from Newark to NYC, and the late bus from NYC to Philadelphia. They serve the commuter crowd, the buses are relatively clean and somewhat wi-fi'ed, and the fare is quite cheap.

Blazecock Pileon

Thanks for all the advice! I bought the Amtrak tickets.

grouse

As for getting to Philly from EWR, I would suggest taking the NJT/SEPTA combo as that's probably the most reliable and least expensive. Regarding Amtrak, my recollection is that as long as you have an Amtrak ticket, you can get on any later Amtrak train on that route. You might give Amtrak a call if you are strongly considering the Amtrak option. As for getting to NYC from Philly on Sunday, Blazecock Pilon's suggestion of BoltBus is spot on--there's also MegaBus that runs from 30th St Station in Philly to NYC. I've taken BoltBus many times and it is consistently cheap (<25$) and reliable (especially on a Sunday evening when there's little traffic).

scalespace

Much of this depends on luggage and whence cometh you, i.e. how tired or jet-lagged you'll be. If you are lugging more than one suitcase or even a large unwieldy suitcase, I'd just take the $125.00 Amtrak. Remember you have to take Airtrain to the actual Amtrak station, so you already have one transfer no matter what. If the Amtrak is too pricey then perhaps take it to Trenton and then switch to SEPTA. You shouldn't have a problem getting on a later train. I take it to Philly & DC a lot and if I miss a train, hop on the next one, rarely a hassle except for the expensive Acela ones. The Bolt Bus option seems ludicrous, frankly. To go from Airtrain -> NJTransit -> maybe PATH ->walking from WTC -> or Penn Station to Subway to then get on bolt to go to Philly. Wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I don't know about the shuttle rides, and I'd shy away from rental cars just for the hassle of parking in both NY and Philly. But really take the train, there are some times in life where it pays to spend a little extra dough. This might be one of those times.

xetere

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