What kind of bike should I buy?
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Should I get a new bike, or a used bike? (Bonus points if you are in the Tremont area of Cleveland!) I have a Pacific mountain bike I picked up at a yard sale a few years ago for $50. The rear wheel is bent from some kind of hard impact, but other than that it's in pretty good condition. It's not perfect, but it serves its purpose, and I've certainly gotten my $50 out of it. My car recently went kaput, and in an effort to save money and get in better shape, I decided to go carless for as long as I possibly can. That means a 3-mile commute to and from work every day on city streets, plus whatever other riding I may need to do when I can't use my wife's car or take public transit. Over the weekend I went to a local bike shop chain, Century Cycles, to pick up some essential commuting gear: fenders, rear rack, and panniers. I brought my bike so they could get me the right equipment. The guy there put it up on the rack and told me it would probably need about $200 worth of work to be in really good shape for the season. This included a new rear wheel, new tires (because he said the current tires are dry-rotting and cracked), flushing the gear shifts, and a general tuneup. He implied that the bike is probably not worth that much and I might be better off getting a new bike that doesn't need any work. Here's the bike I looked at while there that seems to be my best choice: http://centurycycles.com/product/09-diamondback-insight-rs-3979.htm, $449 on special. They did not have any bikes under $300. I ended up not buying anything, including the gear I originally wanted. Today after work I stopped at Shake Cycle in Tremont, my neighborhood. Shaker Cycle is a dirty, cramped, stuffed full of old gear, old school bike shop run by a guy who is kind of weird but, from all accounts, really knows his stuff. He did a tuneup on my mountain bike last year and managed to get a good bit of the bend out of the rear wheel. Today, first he belittled me (goodnaturedly) for going to an "expensive bike shop" where he said I would get ripped off for a bike that was made in China. According to him, all bikes are made in China, usually at the same factory, no matter what the brand name. Then he told me the tires on my bike are fine, and he put it up on the rack and tweaked the back wheel a little more, and sprayed some WD40 into the gear shifts. And he didn't charge me. He wants to sell me a 30-year-old Japanese bike that he thinks would be perfect for me. It's a shorter frame with 27" wheels (I'm 5'6" and stocky), and he says it's got excellent gears (biopace? oval? I know nothing) and pedals. He also says it's made out of steel and will last me forever. He's not done tuning it up yet, so I didn't get to test ride it, but he wants $275 for it. So do I get the new bike or the used bike? I need something that can stand up to repeated city street riding, something that is reliable and strong, and something that is fun to ride. My current bike is serviceable but if there are better options out there, I think I'd like to trade up. What do I do?
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RE: the quality of the older bike, without more details it's difficult to tell whether it's a not-so-great buy or a steal. You could be getting something decent but low-end, or it could be a mid- or even high-end touring rig. I really like BioPace stuff (and 80s Japanese bikes) myself, but I don't think the drivetrain or vintage or metallurgical content of the frame should determine which bike you buy. More importantly, if you're seriously considering the older bike, take it for a ride first. If it has drop handlebars, your riding position will be a bit different from a straight bar. If the older bike has drop bars and you're uncomfortable riding with your hands on the brake hoods, keep looking for a different bike. The tires on the older bike will probably be narrower than those on your mountain bike, and that will make a difference too. Shift it a few times to make sure it shifts smoothly and that you're comfortable moving your hand off the bars to shift (bikes of this era typically have the shifters on the stem or the down tube -- if the shifters are on the ends of the handlebars, it's probably a touring bike and a nice one at that). If you test out the older bike and are comfortable with the way it rides, I'd say go for it.
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Whoa, the http://www.sheldonbrown.com/biopace.html oval is kind of a weird old thing that almost nobody uses anymore. I don't think it should really be a particular selling point for you as a beginning cyclist. Cro-Moly just means a steel frame and I agree with the above people that $275 is kind of a lot for a 30 year old bike. You could probably find one on craigslist for less than $200 ex: http://cleveland.craigslist.org/bik/1745367543.html
ghharr
Yup, I'm in Oberlin now. The bike auction is held in the fall, when students return to campus. Right now there are (departing students') few bikes for sale but I doubt it's worth the trip from Tremont.
jon1270
By the way, another source for some pretty good used bikes is Oberlin, not TOO far away from Tremont (about 30-40 min by car, if memory serves). The police department there has a regular bike auction, and some of the bikes are really nice, and go for peanuts...
bardophile
http://cleveland.craigslist.org/bik/1744734995.html Backing up a bit, you should put Google to work and get your head wrapped around proper frame sizing. Just by measuring the distance from your crotch to the floor (standing straight-legged, in shoes) and doing a few simple calculations, you'll be able to make a good guess as to which bikes will and won't work for you. That will make it much easier to sift through the hundreds of bikes on Craigslist.
jon1270
FWIW, I'd look at http://cleveland.craigslist.org/bik/1732535637.html It's in Lakewood.
jon1270
Thanks for all the responses so far! This is a lot to think about. I have a few responses to some questions raised here (implied or otherwise.) 1. My current bike and the new Diamondback both have straight handlebars. The Japanese bike currently has drop handlebars but Mitch (the guy) said he could change them out. 2. The Japanese bike has shifters on the front tube, which is something I'm totally not comfortable or familiar with, but again Mitch said he can move them. 3. I'm not interested in a fixie. I need gears. 4. Mitch said the Japanese bike probably cost $500 - 600 when it was first made. I have no reason to doubt him. I'll try to find out what kind of bike it is. I'm probably going back on Wednesday to try a test ride.
starvingartist
Regardless of what you buy, ignore Shaker Cycle's "all new bikes are made in the same Chinese factory' scare tactic. There are both excellent and crappy new bikes on the market, regardless of where they're made. This was true 30 years ago as well; the oldies were not all goodies. I'm charmed by old-school bike shops (though it's probably been 20 years since I visited Shaker Cycle), and I have a great deal of respect for the deep reservoir of knowledge that accumulates in the heads of such old bike nuts, but the (perhaps only implied) notion that new bikes are all junk is just wrong. Job#1 is finding a bike that fits you. The wrong frame size will never feel right. Like cog_nate, I wouldn't sweat much over the difference between steel and aluminum frames. Aluminum can be lighter, but the tubes are fatter so the ride is supposedly stiffer. You'll never notice the difference in your short rides. A bike with smooth road tires on lighter, narrower wheels will let you go further faster. The only downside is that there's less rubber and compressed air protecting the wheel, so they're easier to damage if you're careless about the potholes and curbs. I'd look at hybrid bikes, which are marketed as being able to do both on- and off-road riding. They don't really work well for off-road stuff, but they are good for urban environments. Fixies (single-speed, fixed gear bikes) are popular now for reasons I find hard to fathom. In certain moods I can appreciate them in an aesthetic way, but they're impractical if you'll be riding up and down hills. A fixie would be fine in your immediate neighborhood, but if you ever rode it down into the Flats, you'd be walking the bike back up the hill. Biopace -- meh. I had a biopace crank on my mid-80's Nishiki back when it was actually the mid-80's. I wanted to like them, because they were all the rage (designed with the aid of a computer!) but I never really did. I'm back to round chainrings, and happier for it. When you're ready for a rack, trunk bag,etc., your money will go much further online, esp. on eBay or a discount bike site like Nashbar. Century Cycles is really expensive.
jon1270
http://ask.metafilter.com/154140/What-kind-of-bike-should-I-buy: "sprayed some WD40 into the gear shifts" I don't know what it means to "flush" a gear shift, so maybe he's totally correct, but I was generally taught not to spray WD-40 around unless I needed something loosened. It's a very light, volatile substance, so it's good for getting into frozen crannies and lubing them up for a few minutes, but it doesn't stay on long enough to lubricate. In fact, it can displace the existing lube and leave the part stickier than before, which is why you're supposed to follow up with something heavier. So it's a bit of a red flag that he just sprayed WD-40 into your gear shift and handed the bike back. Can someone who knows more about bicycles comment on this?
d. z. wang
I think $275 is a fair price for a 30 year old bike that's completely tuned up. You may be able to find one on Craig's list for $100 less, but who knows the last time its hubs were greased? You'll have to spend the money you save getting it tuned up anyhow.
hannahelastic
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