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Differences between Comcast cable modem and Bellsouth DSL?

  • Comcast cable modem or Bellsouth DSL? Currently, we have a cable modem, provided by Comcast, for our internet access. We're looking at a Bellsouth package, which includes a cellphone, landline, DSL link and satelite for less than the various seperate services we use. But I'm curious about the whole DSL vs Cable modem thing, specifically Comcast vs Bellsouth (Georgia residents, speak up) Would you say Bellsouth DSL is "better" or at least just as good (fast, reliable, always on, easy to run 3 Macs using it)? Is there anything I should be aware of when switching to DSL? Note: Already found the thread about DSL vs Cable modems. I'm looking for specifics about Comcast vs Bellsouth.

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    There's a bit of regulation arcana to consider in the cable vs. DSL choice as well, that others haven't covered, so let me tackle that. Then, I'll offer a couple of other general comments for your consideration. One of the key differences for the future of cable vs. DSL is that the courts and the FCC have, in their infinite wisdom, decided two different courses of business development for the different kinds of wires connecting your home to the rest of the world. From the 1986 AT&T breakup, the concept of debundling services of the once monolithic voice telephone system has become enshrined in law and practice. Thus, the wire pairs delivering DSL services to your home can be leased by any http://isp.webopedia.com/TERM/C/CLEC.html that wants to provide services to you. So, if you try BellSouth and don't find joy in their services or network operation policies, you can be assured that some other DSL provider will be technically able to provide a connection over those same wires to a network operation you may like better. In Georgia, your choices of DSL service providers readily include Earthlink, Speedfactory, and probably at least 2 or 3 others in most metro areas where other CLEC's have colocation or interoperation agreements with BellSouth, as BellSouth is required to offer. So, you, as a DSL consumer, will be assured choices, and some competitive environment for some time into the future. On the cable side, the http://news.com.com/High-speed+ISPs+to+see+less+regulation/2100-1033_3-860539.html, and far more limited, http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,120197,00.asp http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3515801. Earthlink and a few other independent ISP's are trying to wedge openings into the broadband infrastructure, but generally, that's not looking likely. So, if you don't find joy with your cable operator's offering, you're not likely to find much relief in the competitive markets. Why should that be of interest to you, as a consumer? If your needs are relatively simple, and remain so, maybe it wouldn't. But I think that in the next several years, you are probably going to be making a lot of choices about new services and technologies to serve needs you don't even have now. For instance, maybe you've been thinking about your phone costs, and hearing about Voice over Internet Protocol being a good way to cut those. Maybe you've been hearing about http://inhome.rediff.com/money/2006/feb/08spec.htm as a way of delivering entertainment on demand to your home. And maybe, in the next 3 or 4 years, new services will come along that you, personally, will find important, even if others don't on a mass scale. The network connections available to you will determine whether or not you can get these services, and at what cost. So you want to think a bit, in your own self interest, about where your dollars go, and how those dollars will support your future choices of network connectivity. Now, for my other "general" comments. If you live within 3 or 4 thousand feet of a http://www.dmine.com/phworld/co/724/, DSL and cable services will be technically comparable in terms of speeds and reliability. Beyond that range, DSL still suffers compared to modern cable networks, and that may not change at your location unless there is http://www.icablesystem.com/english/news/news_view_36.html. Frankly, BellSouth is lagging Verizon in both the quality of the solution they plan to implement for fiber to the home, and the rate at which they'll deploy it. It may be years before you even have availability of this as a BellSouth customer, but that depends on your neighborhood. Lotsa luck. In the meantime, if you live near enough to a central office, I'd go DSL for cost and flexibility reasons. If you like the BellSouth bundle you are being offered, and their network operations policies aren't a problem for you, why not give them a try? If it doesn't work out satisfactorily, you can move to Speedfactory or another DSL provider pretty painlessly. If you live beyond the practical DSL distance from a CO or DSLAM, cable may be your only practical choice. Frankly, the broadband infrastructure is better suited for current and future demands for services, but long term, without the competitive pricing pressures of DSL operators, your costs are going to be higher, IMHO. But the rollout of HDTV and digital TV services is providing the cable operators with a lot of convergence reasons for upgrading their systems quickly, and they are already on a better technical and business base for accomplishing the expansions of their systems for high speed services. So, if you can live with the restrictions of choice, and the higher costs that result, you might be OK with cable for the foreseeable future. In my own case, I've had Comcast cable for the last year here in Jacksonville, FL, and I've been pretty happy with it, but I have had some outages, one modem replacement, and lately, more frequent periods of 10 minutes to an hour where DNS lookups are slow, or routing problems are obvious. I live about 3,000 feet from a BellSouth CO, and DSL was an option when I chose Comcast, but the house I'm living in has less than stellar phone wiring, and there were few DSL CLEC choices here when I chose Comcast. In the last year, my situation has changed a bit as the Brand X cable case I cited above has come down, I've fixed some of my phone wiring problems, I still don't have any VoIP offering from Comcast, and, like you, I'm thinking of changing over to DSL now as a means of lowering my overall costs, as I now also have some DSL CLEC choices. I think you have to view this as a fluid situation in the markets, and one which you, as a consumer, probably need to revisit annually, as you would insurance contracts. There are going to be deals, and not taking advantage of them, assuming you don't have location issues that strongly bias the decision one way or another, is not in your personal best interest, or that of the market as a whole. In my case, I'd save about $180 in the next year by moving to DSL, and that's about the right value to get my business, all other things being approximately equal. YMMV.

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My answer is completely non-technical: BellSouth, AT&T/SBC, and Verizon are being irresponsible netizens, and I can't in good conscious suggest any of them. BellSouth (along with AT&T/SBC and Verizon) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/06/AR2006020601624.html that Google (and others) are getting a "free ride" on the internet. See, the telcos own major backbones, connections that a huge majority of internet traffic travels through. Even sitting here on my Comcast connection, a http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/providers/traceroute.html shows my traffic is going through AT&T (and Sprint) to get to Google. The telcos think they should be getting paid extra money by Google for this. This is the way the internet has always worked. The big companies with the major backbones have always worked in essentially the same way that international postal mail works. If you send a letter to France from the US, you don't have to put US and French stamps on it -- just US. This is because we agreed, a long time ago, that if France takes all the mail we have for them, we'll take all the mail they have for us, and call it even. The telcos are getting "paid" for this intermediate bandwidth by trade with their "peers," instead of cash. So now the telcos are saying it isn't good enough. So, they're threatening to degrade or drop connections to Google et. al. if they don't pay up. This attitude threatens the very foundation of the internet, and I find it completely irresponsible. So far, Comcast has kept out of this, so they're the ones I'm going to recommend. (Of course, if they jump on the bandwagon too, I'm left with no options for cable or telco, and I'll just have to suck it up.) As for Comcast's reliability, I've only ever had the service drop in the middle of the night, when I really should be sleeping anyway.

CrayDrygu

It really depends on your local neighborhood facilities. There is no reason to say that Comcasr is more reliable than BellSouth or vice-versa. You can compare Comcast annd Bell South features, but if you want to know what will work better in your house ask your neighbors; they'll have a much better idea than folks in the rest of the country. See what the Bellsouth cancellation policy is - if you can try it and quit after 2 weeks without paying any extra fees, I'd try that and not cancel Comcast until you are sure you want to switch.

spira

I've had Comcast for the past 3 years and have nothing but good things to say about it. It's never gone down and it's fast.

Thorzdad

itchie, I live downtown. Ziggy: i say your question is pointless Not if I'm looking for personal stories/experiences. The various info about Bellsouth matched or added to most local stories I've heard and confirms that little has changed since we left Bellsouth years ago. Better the devil we know and all that.

Brandon Blatcher

Brandon Blatcher, if you don't mind me asking, what part of Savannah do you live in (according to your profile)?

itchie

not to be rude, but this is an almost pointless question. as you can see, the answers to your question are all over the spectrum. with cable vs dsl inquiries, your mileage always varies. furthermore i'll give you an anecdote of mine--my parents have been at&t/comcast customers for about a decade now, and their internet connection generally stays up 24/7, with occasional outages during heavy storms. i moved out of their house to an apartment about seven miles away; still within the same zipcode and everything (northeast atlanta). i have comcast in my apartment as well, but my connection is either down or has shitty throughput (1kbps) on average 3 out of 7 days of the week. my connection drops when water falls from the sky. my connection drops when clouds pass in front of the sun. my connection drops when the sun, moon and stars shift out of alignment. i've called comcast to complain so many times that they no longer credit me for days where i don't have service. i say your question is pointless because as you can see from my experience, one person saying "comcast is great!" doesn't really mean anything if another person only seven miles away isn't able to check his email on a consistent basis. my cable tv service works great though; it stays up through the worst of storms :P

Ziggy Zaga

Just to clarify, we currently have a Comcast cable modem and are thinking of switching to Bellsouth DSL.

Brandon Blatcher

"They still want to screw you over and destroy the Internet, but at least they don't openly gloat about it." Given the lack of alternatives, I'm prepared to reluctantly accept that. Oh well.

CrayDrygu

One of several things I've never fully understood about Internet culture is the remarkable number of people who consider full broadband connectivity uptime critical for their job, hobby, or peace of mind, yet are content to make do with a single source pipe. It's a risky dependency, both cable and DSL fall prey to construction-related line cuts much too often, plus there are always random connection losses or temporarily DNS failures on the local network. Here, I have a Comcast cable modem that is hooked to a (open access) wireless and a third-party DSL that cables into the main network. Reliability for each? I'll give it to the DSL line overall, the Comcast cable seems to go down more often. We have never had both pipes down at the same time we needed to hit the net. And, as with many other people, connectivity here is critical -- so critical that back when, I priced out fractional T1 lines with service level agreements until I came to the realization that two slightly less-stable sources are better than one slightly more-stable source. And one helluva lot cheaper. I won't argue against single-source for starving students, the under[un]employed, and the net dilettante, but most "average" net-users can afford the dirt cheap insurance of going with a second source. Typically one can get both DSL and cable connectivity for under $100/month without extras. Assuming each has 95% uptime (which is a pretty fricking lousy percentage), barring Katrina-like disasters which simultaneously affect all connections, one would enjoy 99.75% uptime with both. Anyway, normally as sole-source choice I'd cast my vote for DSL. That is, providing your phone lines are pretty clean and the price differential isn't too serious for same approximate speed. But, if possible I'd recommend asking your neighbors about their experiences. Better reliability is usually worth a little extra money or a little slower speed, and connectivity faults can be a strictly local issue no one else on MetaFilter could council you on. That said, from what I've heard, BellSouth is a company which enjoys no better reputation than SBC, the phone company which owns the physical lines into all the residences around here. Be aware that ownership of those lines can be an important consideration, even were you to choose a third-party DSL provider which is not BellSouth. My horror story: two years ago SBC managed to hose my DSL for twelve days when they were "fixing" local telephone lines, denying their fault the entire time, ignoring an escalation of contacts up to and including a FedEx'ed letter to the SBC chairman in my capacity as an SBC shareholder, and standing on their claim that all contacts for repair must go through the DSL third party company. Finally on the twelfth day after a vendor meet on site, it was "oh yeah, we did that, we'll fix it tomorrow since it's almost 5PM today." Bastards. In my opinion, SBC deserves no one's DSL money. If BellSouth are even half as arrogant and incompetent as SBC, the Comcast cable modem solution is the only choice that makes sense.

mdevore

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