Can you help me find a high school scholarship?

Help me see if going to CS grad school (masters or PhD) could work despite a large debt load

  • Help me see if going to CS grad school (masters or PhD) could work despite a large debt load If anyone wants to contact me, I set up this email: [email protected] I graduated a couple of years ago, and have a pretty good, well paying job (luckily!) in my field, Computer Science (as an analyst dealing with distributed systems). Ideally, I'd like to get more into the nitty gritty of things, and I think that grad school would help with this and be a lot of fun. However, I have a fairly high debt load at about $150k total. The good and bad of it is that as long as I am working as an engineer, I am able to service this (my parents pay $700 a month, I pay $700 a month...this is about all I imagine they can pay). I do not know how I could make grad school work. My grades were high from a elite university and in CS the vast majority of PhDs are funded, but I do not know how I could live on $30k a year while paying $700 a month in loans. I should add that $1200 a month of loans are in my parents name and only $200 a month are in my name, meaning that there are no forbearance options on their loans, only on mine (of which I believe ~1/3 is subsidized, and 2/3 is not). Ideally I'd want to leave grad school without a a substantially increased debt load... is there any way I'd be able to make either work? Something I thought about for a masters, for example, would be to find a program that would cover tuition via scholarship (does this really exist at the masters level?), go into forbearance on my loans, then take out loans to cover ~600 a month in loan payments. So I'd be taking on $7200 in new loans a year, which might be acceptable depending. That doesn't take into account cost of living, though, which would balloon things even more... (unless there are ways to get that covered?) I'd really be more interested in a PhD than a masters, but I understand the realities of life. I want to go to grad school in order to be able to transition into more technical, more research oriented roles. I currently work in R&D but it's more D than R, and I feel that transitioning into more technical roles will be an uphill battle, despite strong credentials. Obviously not impossible if I can't make grad school work economically, but I want to see if anyone can think of a reasonable way to make this work. Thanks.

  • Answer:

    It sounds like the main constraint is the school debt currently in your parents' names. There, FTFY. A Masters in CS is not a ticket to a larger paycheck, or a more research-focused job. A PhD may be a ticket to the latter (but not usually the former). I'm also not saying that a PhD makes sense, but a MS in CS does not. It is not worth the expense, no matter who pays for it. (And dude, you're an adult, without getting into the undergrad debate, your parents really shouldn't be paying for postgraduate education). If you are gainfully employed in your chosen field, especially in CS, and have a $1400/month loan burden, going into further debt for education is asinine. Keep working, pay off your student debt as soon as you can, and get a few more years of experience and products shipped under your belt... you'll be more valuable with a few projects shipped than you will be with an MS. You'll get more into the nitty-gritty of CS work with experience, not schooling. Right now, you're the young guy who's a few years out of school. Soon you'll be the invaluable guy who knows how to get things done. And at your next job interview, the most important question is going to be "What did you ship?". You'll have a better answer if you spend the next few years in the workplace instead of academia.

anonymous at Ask.Metafilter.Com Visit the source

Was this solution helpful to you?

Other answers

Oh, and to actually answer the question: I think you should try to get an MS while working. It's not THAT hard (many programs cater to part-time students), and is vastly better financially than TAing through grad school (and probably better than most research funding).

miyabo

I want to go to grad school in order to be able to transition into more technical, more research oriented roles. I currently work in R&D but it's more D than R, and I feel that transitioning into more technical roles will be an uphill battle, despite strong credentials. Why not work for a while, see how much of an uphill battle it really is and, in the meantime, try to find a way to get your employer to pay for it? Grad school will still be there in couple of years and you may be in a better financial position at that point to consider it. Right now, based on the financial numbers you are giving, paying for even the living expenses for the next two years would be financial suicide. The majority of my friends who either went to grad school immediately (and paid for at least part of it) or didn't work for very long regretted that decision, while the friends of mine that waited until they were 30 had their employers help them with tuition and working it around their jobs. The more valuable you are to your employer, the more likely you can have your cake and eat it too.

dflemingecon

If I were you, I'd keep working where you are for another two or three years and pay as much as you humanly can into that debt. Maybe even consider living as you would as a grad student - i.e. on 25,000 or so, and putting everything else into the loans. In a few years, your payments should be a lot lower than 700 a month, and going to grad school will hurt less. But I agree with others that you could live on a grad stipend AND pay 700 a month if you were willing to eat ramen, have roommates, and give up all luxuries. Sadly, that's what most grad students have to do.

lollusc

also, if there are jobs out there that have both loan forgiveness and will help pay for grad school... just something you might consider.

fozzie33

Unless you have other expenses or dependents, the math doesn't add up for me... 1) If you're working as an engineer, is there some reason you can't contribute significantly more than $700/month to paying off your loans? 2) For a fully-funded PhD in CS, assume $24k-$30k/year, depending on departmental funding and outside fellowships. Live cheaply, and keep paying off your UG loans from your stipend. ($700/month would definitely hurt, and my quality of life would take a hit, but I think it would be possible on my grad student stipend). Think roommates, cooking for yourself .... So, how badly do you want this?

Metasyntactic

Setting aside $700/month as a grad student making $30k is possible if you live frugally and if you're not in a place with a really high cost of living. Also, as a CS PhD student doing distributed systems, you'll have no trouble finding a summer internship. Those pay a lot better than research stipends --- around $6000-$7000/month before taxes.

qxntpqbbbqxl

Yeah, if you are making good money now then it seems like you should be able to pay lot more than $700/month. Have you run the numbers on how quickly you could pay them off if you throw another $500 at them each month? Or a thousand, even better. If you do the math and see that you could pay it all of in X years then it might give you the motivation you need. It would just be so much better if you could start grad school debt free. Also I think you'd get so much more out of it if you had some more years of experience.

dawkins_7

I have a masters in CS and I don't recommend getting one. I don't think it actually makes you any more marketable and it costs money (an opposing view: a friend of mine got a masters in CS at a big, impressive school because his undergraduate degree was at a small, undistinguished university and he figured that having "Masters in Computer Science - AwesomeTech, USA" would make him look better. You say you went to a great undergraduate school, so that's out). I'm not saying that a PhD does make sense, but, IMHO, a masters does not.

It's Never Lurgi

It sounds like the main constraint is the school debt currently in your parents' names. I'd check to see if you can get Stafford and Grad PLUS loans on top of any tuition/stipend funding you might receive for grad school -- if you can take out new federal loans in your name, you could use that money to gradually "refinance" the debt in your parents' names. The balance transferred to your name could then qualify for in-school forbearance. Once you finish, consolidate your loans and go into an income-based repayment plan. http://ask.metafilter.com/148861/I-have-more-student-loan-debt-than-many-morgages-What-do-I-do#2132341 to another AskMe similar to yours has more info and links on how this might work.

Jacqueline

Just Added Q & A:

Find solution

For every problem there is a solution! Proved by Solucija.

  • Got an issue and looking for advice?

  • Ask Solucija to search every corner of the Web for help.

  • Get workable solutions and helpful tips in a moment.

Just ask Solucija about an issue you face and immediately get a list of ready solutions, answers and tips from other Internet users. We always provide the most suitable and complete answer to your question at the top, along with a few good alternatives below.