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How can I make DH see that he always makes me the 3rd wheel when it comes to plans?

  • How can I get DH to realize stop making plans without me, esp. vacation? This has always been a huge problem for us since day one. He makes plans with others, then tells me "oh we're doing xyz this weekend." It has evolved into me less being bugged by a weekend plan but I haven't changed being upset that he plans vacations with others when it was supposed to be OUR vacation. Unless it's a 4 day vacation or less, he just won't have one with me (and now our son). It's insulting, rude, and makes me totally feel like a 3rd wheel on OUR vacation. He did this for our wedding. Eight friends, all week was friends, friends, friends. He used the excuse that we were busy with wedding plans so he really needed to connect with these people. Untrue. I PLANNED/booked everything, we had two things to do that took up an hour out of a week of his time. Second return trip. He got a settlement and immediately called up the same people and planned a return trip. It wasn't "hey I was thinking we can use the money to go on a trip. How about a group trip, what do you think?" Nope. It was me being notified that he called the 8 people and we're going on these dates. I told him flat out that my wedding trip there was horrible becasue I was a 3rd wheel at OUR wedding. He finally threw me a bone and we had TWO out of 14 days alone and that was for 1/2 day each. Oh goody. I got a bone thrown at me. Next trips--he went with friends alone/met them out where he was going. I was home pregnant, didn't want to go. One was a bachelor party so a preggo wasn't going anyway. Last year's trip. Budget was tight and marriage was on the rocks. So he said we could go stay with his friend out there. We had again, ONE day alone (Hollywood tour), the rest? He hooked up with friends. One of the days he told me he had his vendor asking him to meet a client so I was alone for 2 hours (I still think that story was fishy). Now this year we both agreed we deserve a 'real' vacation after the stress we've been on. At first he was going to go on a dive trip by himself but seeing our budget was limited and it was his trip OR a together trip, he chose a vacation with me and our child. The next thing I know he tells me his friend, his girlfriend, and their daughter and then his other friend are now going on the trip. They 'happened to invite themself." I have NOTHING in common with these people. Oh and he said pay for our nanny to watch our kid. What for? He's going to be hanging with his friends. I'll be with the kid or alone. Well after much expected, heavy friend drama, he agreed to cancel the trip with them (thank god). So we agreed me, him, our son, and the nanny (now she has a point) and we are going 10 days split trip to Vegas and then Napa. And within 20 min he goes "well you can say no but how about if I ask so and so to meet us out there for one day." I knew it was an ending battle so I said fine, ONE day. I come home yesterday and he's on the phone with him telling him "oh yea I'll give you our entire itinerary and you pick the dates." (note plural) now he's going to Napa with us. This whole "gotta go with friends" thing every single f'in time is a big WTF with me. He says he likes my company---I'm not seeing it if people have to go with on every single vacation. He says he wants to have fun as a family. How? We have three others with us all the time? And when we are not on vacation but say on our way out to meet up friends (or even at home) he's on his Blackberry looking at Facebook, emailing, texting people. I'm sick of being a third wheel. I'm sick of every single vacation for the last 10 years is with everyone. I thought with a family he would stop this unless it's say a Disney trip with another family couple. And now the addition of his Blackberry is a breaking point for me. I'm alone whether we're on vacation, in the car, etc. WHY do I even have to go with/be in his life with these non stop distractions? He sees it as he's just talking. Well every discussion he has equates people coming with. He said he doesn't have to talk first with me. That's stupid. He can tell people no later. Well he doens't tell them no. It's me who has to deal. We had a big blow out yesterday over this because he just plainly doens't understand that this whole 'make plans with others first' is so hurtful and makes me feel like my entire point in this relationship is to pay the bills or to be an accessory. It's not like WE are having a good time with others. He's out with them and I'm tagging along (even if I do join in the conversation).

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    You've been contemplating divorce since your first AskMeFi the better part of 2 years ago, so I'm guessing things have been ugly for much longer than that. I don't say this lightly: follow through already. Your husband is treating you like dirt because you're letting him. Stop.

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So you're married to an abusive f**K. And you're acting the way abused people act. I'm sorry, but there's no answer that will help you that doesn't boil down to 'get help and get out.' Your rationalizations for staying make no sense. Your son is learning much worse things by watching the abuse continue than he would by seeing you stand up for yourself. Your fear is keeping you from thinking straight, which is why you need help. Go get it.

jon1270

Every single thing you just said in your update is why a divorce needs to happen now before your child is a second older. Lawyer. Be a good mom. Your child will be upset but it is nothing compared to being in a family with these dynamics. Show your child how people should be treated.

amicamentis

Oh, and, reading over my answers and a couple of others, I'm now uncomfortably aware of how this must make you feel accused. Just to be clear, I know my goal isn't to make you feel accused and I'm sure it's not anybody else's goal. It's just that it's tricky to express our objections to your husband's behaviour in a way that's forceful enough to convey how serious we think it is, and at the same time anticipate the ways in which we might need to spare your feelings. Look, this guy is accusing you and making you feel like crap every which way, all the time. It's a strain just to put one foot in front of the other. And now we are all yelling at you to change your life completely, which is really hard under the best of conditions. And I'm saying stuff like, all he gets out of his marriage is food and housing; which is intended to point out to you that, far from being a terrifying enemy who will devour you in court, your husband is actually dependent on you for the very resources he would need to win a case, so his threats don't actually stand up to critical examination. But, in saying that, I also smashed you in the face with the implication that, no, your husband isn't married to you because he likes you. I think that that's a fact and you need to face it, and it's obvious to all of us that that fact says everything about your husband and nothing about you. But oh, how it must hurt to have that pointed out to you since, based on your actual question, it's the exact thing that you don't want to face up to. We're trying to be scathing about your husband, not about you. It hurts us all to hear about the way he treats you and, especially, your son. We want you to defeat this guy in his attempts to exploit you and make you miserable. We believe you can do it.

tel3path

DH == Dead Horse. Stop beating it. You're miserable, he doesn't care and you have a child who needs you. Get out and get help.

tommasz

I'm just going to reiterate, now that there's more evidence: He doesn't care: a) if you are happy with your vacations (knows you are not, continues to do the things that he knows make you unhappy) b) if you are happy at home (ignores you in favor of work/texting/facebook, despite knowing this makes you unhappy) c) if you are the only person he has sex/sexual conversations with (emails escorts and strangers in a sexual way -- at the very least) d) about your health and well-being (did not show interest when you were in the hospital) e) about the health and well-being of your fetus (did not show interest when fetus' viability was at stake) f) about the health and well-being of your child (drugs in front of him) Please go see an individual therapist to figure out how to convince yourself that you and your child deserve better than this, and how to get out. There is nothing good about this relationship. Please leave it.

brainmouse

In the past I caught him emailing escorts, FBing people out of the blue saying "I'm married but you have pretty eyes." (Who the hell says that?) Take you and your child out of this situation, because this is not the example you want to set for a healthy adult relationship. And this isn't your fault--totally his. (Who the hell says that? Cheating uncommitted dipshits, that's who.)

infinitewindow

I am flat out intimidated of him in a divorce process. So find an attorney who isn't. Your husband wants everything and is threatening to say you're mentally unstable. OK. Your husband can want whatever he wants and say whatever he wants. That isn't what will decide the outcome of your divorce. Abusers often threaten their wives with things like your husband is threatening--"I'll expose how unstable you are," "No one will take you seriously," "I'll get full custody," etc. It's a scare tactic, not an effective legal strategy. Consider calling an organization that works with abused women and asking if they can recommend an attorney. You need a lawyer who understands that your husband is unstable, angry, and a bad candidate for mediation.

Meg_Murry

I thought with a family he would stop this Yikes. Children invariably exacerbate pre-existing relationship problems instead of solving them... Peeking at previous questions, I gotta think it's time to bail. There're drug (marijuana) issues (in front of the kid? He doesn't care about family, sorry) here too? Lots of counselling in the past, divorce threats aplenty. E-mailing prostitutes! What do you want from this dude? He seems to've made pretty clear what and who he is. I think you're way past the point where it's healthy to keep a child in a relationship like this and you want to make a clean break as soon as possible. He's not into you, he's not into the relationship, he's not into the kid. You will be much, much happier dropping the facade that there's a working relationship here.

kmennie

I wrote... Pull the pin on the life grenade and get on with it. To be less glib: every decision you have in front of you sucks. Every option you can pursue sucks. The simple fact is that you have a mountain of suck in front of you that you are going to have to climb over no matter what you do. You are fighting a war here between a false husband and your own inability to make the move. All I can really give you is advice common to soldiers everywhere: Embrace The Suck. Get in there for the long fight and get the divorce that you deserve. And honestly you may find it surprisingly easy. Once you stand up to him he is likely to lose interest and move on to one of the many women he already has lined up. The fact that he doesn't care about you goes two ways...

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