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  • Big Onyx Man Ring: Secret Meaning? Where to get one? I know this is a completely weird question, but here goes. I've known at least two guys in the past who I've admired, and who had nearly identical man rings. They were not acquainted that I know of. It's possible they met briefly once or twice. The rings were a fairly common style, but I got the impression from both men that the rings had some kind of special meaning. Here's the rub; this ring (which I'll describe below) is a popular style for Masonic rings, but these rings did not bear Masonic insignia, and I'm 92% certain that neither of the men were Masons. Ring style: Plain gold, with a big, square (or rectangular), black onyx on the top, with a small diamond in the middle of the onyx. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41e0a9bKaPL._AA280_.jpg http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/82/49/22/24/0082492224431_215X215.jpg The two questions: 1. Some kind of fraternal order? (Very) Closeted Masons? My brain's coincidence circuitry throwing an error? Possible clue: Both men were LDS. I'm also LDS, and I know the culture inside and out, and they are not CTR rings. The LDS angle seems to be a dead end, but...hm. They were both VERY religious, and that seems to be the most likely commonality. 2. I liked these rings, and I want one. The diamonds need not be real, and I'd like to pay less than $50. Extensive Googling and Yahooing have not yielded an exact match. The photos above are from Amazon and Wal-Mart online. I'd also rather not have it custom made. Anyone with better Google-fu for this? http://www.ksl.com/emedia/slc/1/106/10692.jpg! Looks like the diamond is framed in gold in this one. One last thing: It's not a question about religion or politics. Please, let's not go there.

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    No problem, SlyBevel. Just another bullet taken for AskMe :D My dad just called back after thinking about it for several hours and said he thinks it's called a "sweetheart's ring". He remembers a lot of other guys leaving for WWII duty were getting them from their girlfriends. He mentioned the ring was a source of minor conflict between him and my mom, who was intermittently jealous that he continued to wear a ring symbolizing someone else's affection (so apparently it was recognizable to her as such, since he claims he never fessed up to her where he got it). Using that term, I googled around and turned up these http://www.rubylane.com/shops/antiqmaddy/item/MMDOring http://ashleysbigsecret.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=107. The second one uses a different stone as a face, so I suppose it's the diamond (or diamond shaped) inset which is the key identifier for this style. Then he told me an hours worth of more stories about more women he was seeing way back then. Aggh! Ah, well, your question made his day.

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It's just a classic ring style for men.

desuetude

That's right, you got a best answer for that. Way to take a hit for the team!

SlyBevel

The price of gold is through the roof right now. Pawn shops and stores selling estate jewelry are your best bet by far.

desuetude

Wow, Jamaro, I'm sorry you had to hear that. :) Thanks for asking your dad for me. Flakypastry: Yeah, 10k is ok with me, and I'll just have to keep my eyes open for the next little while. A cz also won't kill me. There are pawn shops nearby, and I stop in every once in a while to see what they've got. desuetude: At this point, looks like you're right. It's probably just a fashion thing that lots of men of a certain age have.

SlyBevel

3. The third picture above is Gordon B. Hinckley, the President of the LDS church. His wearing the ring, along with two other priestly LDS dudes, is what makes me suspect the ring as statement of affiliation. But again, could just be a manly fashion statement It's not religion that's the affiliation between these dudes wearing the ring, it's age and culture (i.e. what is considered acceptable jewelry for a man.)

desuetude

Also, I guess I could spend more like $100. Does that change the outlook? Not really, unfortunately. At $100, you're still restricted to silver and CZ, although you might be able to find a 10k gold version with CZ. That ring on ebay is gold plated. If you plan to wear the ring often, then gold plating will not stand up very well. Silver rings don't wear well, either. 10k gold tarnishes badly over time. If it were me, I'd either haunt ebay for awhile to see what you can find, or head to your local pawn shop and see if they have one. Also, many jewelry stores carry "estate goods" and may be willing to sell you a ring like that for $100-$150. Don't be afraid to haggle. Jewelers take in estate goods for peanuts all of the time. Also, if it's a plated piece from the 20s or 30s, then that's much better than plated pieces today - the electroplating was much thicker in that era. In fact, I own vintage plated watches from that time that still look as good as new. I did a zoom of the third picture to see if I could get a better look at that ring. The center stone appears to be a stock inlay gold mounting - no special characteristics that I can see. If all of his colleagues have the ring too, then it's possible that there's a custom engraving on the sides of the rings that they wear that has some special meaning. Do you have any other pictures to give a clue?

Flakypastry

So I spoke with my dad this morning; his ring was given to him in 1943 by a girl who was sweet on him. My dad was 21 at the time, in town for a few days before being shipped out to the B-29 crews stationed on Saipan. He said it has no other association that he's aware of. I asked him if that kind of ring was a popular style in the '40s and he said "Hell, I don't know, I was too busy chasing girls." Would have posted this sooner had not my asking about the ring triggered a long reminiscence of his youthful days as a ladies' man (oy, the details one would prefer *not* to know about one's dad).

jamaro

Ok, a couple of things: 1: I'm aware that the ring in the first photo is Masonic. That's why the question states that the rings I've seen have no Masonic insignia like this one does. No G, compass, or square. 2. Looks like the answers are skewing toward fashion statement. That's totally cool, and it's what the logic part of my brain has been saying. The kooky side still wants it to be a http://www.google.com/search?q=high+priest+onyx&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a. Because that would be cool. 3. The third picture above is Gordon B. Hinckley, the President of the LDS church. http://www.ksl.com/emedia/slc/1/106/10692.jpg, along with two other priestly LDS dudes, is what makes me suspect the ring as statement of affiliation. But again, could just be a manly fashion statement. 4. Thanks, FlakyPastry, for the Ebay link. I thought I had turned Ebay upside-down, but you found it and I didn't. Also, I guess I could spend more like $100. Does that change the outlook? 5. The citations above of Roman Catholics, and especially Rosicrucians, really piques my interest. But it could just be so much more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity. Thanks for all the answers! If someone has a lead on a really good deal on one of these, I'm interested. And parmanparman, I'm still waiting on you...some kind of reference that the ring has some kind of tie with the Melchizedek priesthood would really interest me.

SlyBevel

My grandfather had one of these, as did my uncle. They were both Roman Catholic. Although my grandfather was also (?) a Rosicrucian.

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