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  • Help me sort out my feelings about the relationship I’m in because I just can’t seem to figure it out. (long and complicated - sorry!) (I apologize in advance for the length and thank anyone who can actually read the whole thing and offer some insight.) My girlfriend and I have been together for three years. I’m 25 and she’s 28. We are the somewhat stereotypical lesbian relationship: we met while we were in (unsatisfying) relationships with other people, left our respective partners to be together, became attached at the hip early on (once we started officially seeing each other we did not spend one night apart…. hardly ever), moved across the country together after only dating for six months, and now we live in a big city in a tiny one-bedroom apartment with a dog. We don’t have a lot of friends outside the relationship (a problem we’ve always recognized but never truly tried to fix) and we’re both homebodies for the most part. We even have lunch together almost every day during the week since our offices are close by. Most of the time, this is all okay and even great. I love spending time with her and never get sick of just “hanging out” with her. When we first met, the sparks and chemistry and intensity was incredible. I have never felt that before in my life. In my heart, I truly felt that this is the person I want to spend my life with; this is the person that I want to grow old with. We connect in ways that I never connected with anyone – intellectually and otherwise. After about six months to a year (shortly after moving in together), our sex life started to fizzle (think lesbian bed death syndrome). Then she told me that she has memories of being abused as a child, both physically and sexually, mostly the former. Her father was the source of her physical abuse, possibly the sexual abuse as well. In addition, her mother is completely in denial about any of the abuse taking place and has been the cause of my girlfriend having multiple emotional breakdowns since she has started to come to grips with her past abuse. She is in therapy and taking steps to heal and move past the abuse, but I believe it will be a long arduous process. I have done some reading about surviving abuse and the effects on intimate relationships and I won’t lie – I’m scared sh*tless. I’m worried that I am in a relationship that will never ever have satisfying sex again, that my girlfriend will always be the victim when we have arguments and use her past abuse as an excuse for her behavior, and I’m worried that I’ve gotten myself into something I don’t know how to handle. Our sexual pattern goes something like this: I will initiate sex, usually in a nonverbal way like kissing her, and she will make it apparent that she isn’t interested. I feel disappointed, back down, and then later (either 10 minutes later or two days later, it doesn’t matter), SHE will initiate sex, usually verbally by asking me if I am interested. I generally accept the invitation, we have sex, and then we don’t have sex again for a while (this varies, lately the time between sex has been about two to four weeks). Tonight I told her that this pattern wasn’t working for me anymore, that I don’t like always being rejected only to be invited to have sex later on. Of course this is a control issue. She told me that she needs me to verbally ask her permission before doing anything physical with her – that she doesn’t like it when I start to kiss her, take her belt off, whatever it might be. I obliged to this request, but I feel like it is insane. I don’t know if I can have a sexual relationship with someone who needs me to spell out exactly what I want to do before I do it… like I need to get her to sign an imaginary permission slip before I’m allowed to make love to her. Besides making me feel like a pawn, it completely takes the spontaneity out of sex and kind of makes me not want to do it in the end. Sometimes I really don’t even want to have sex with her because it is so predictable, so vanilla… I want her to take charge once and a while and do something crazy or different. But she’s only interested in nice, calm, Sarah McLachlan-y sex. Anything else freaks her out (including toys, different positions, etc.). She’s always worried that things will “trigger” her, which I respect and understand… it’s just incredibly disappointing. Here’s the part where I make my big confession… I have been a less than stellar girlfriend in the faithfulness department. In the past year and a half I have cheated on her with three different people… two of those three people were ongoing affairs that lasted several months. They didn’t mean anything to me past the sex they provided… I was just so incredibly frustrated by the lack of sex in my relationship and so eager to find out what I was missing. They were fun, but that was it – I wasn’t in love with any of them, nor was I interested in prolonging the affairs past their prime. I ended things with the two ongoing people early this year and don’t intend to have any repeat performances. Yes, I got tested and everything was negative re STDs. My guilt was enough to make me realize that it was a mistake. I don’t know why I did it, really… but I think maybe I was just sabotaging this relationship because I’m so worried about the issues she has and the issues we have together. And I thought “oh, I’m young, I shouldn’t be sexless,” etc. etc. Stupid, yes. But it’s over and done with. And she doesn’t know what happened – I decided it would be a horrible idea to tell her because she’s already dealing with enough. One of the reasons I don’t have a lot of platonic friends outside my relationship with my girlfriend is that I think I tend to sexualize friendships. That’s a different issue for a different post, but I felt I needed to say it here. Maybe one of the reasons I do it is because I feel very sexually repressed and I am subconsciously looking for an outlet in everyone that I meet. Generally, if I’m not sexually attracted to someone I don’t make much effort to have a friendship with them and we lose touch. Weird, yes. Sometimes, crazy as it may seem, we have this seemingly perfect life together… we’re thinking about the future together and where we might be living in the next year (we might be moving out of the area so she can pursue grad school), and I’m always imagining the house we’ll live in and the life we can build together. But are my hopes for our future overshadowing the problems in our relationship, and is going along with whatever she wants when she wants it just going to dig me in deeper to issues that I am not prepared to deal with? We went to couples therapy once last year and it was absolutely not helpful for me. Partly because our therapist had this “I don’t keep secrets” policy, so I could never tell her about my infidelities if I wanted her to keep them confidential. But also because I have a hard time talking about serious stuff face to face with a total stranger. Hence the AskMe post. I feel as though there is a lot more to mention here that I am neglecting to include… mostly I just worry about being the constantly supportive girl in the relationship while my needs are being pushed aside because hers are more important… something like that. Help?

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    Your letter resonated with me so much that I actually joined just to comment. Someone said in an earlier comment that you had all the power... but in a way, it seems like she does. I've dated two guys who were very similar to the way that you describe your girlfriend, and both times I ended up in a relationship that was completely on their terms. They used their depression, anxiety and past experiences like a big Cattle Prod o' Guilt to make me do what they wanted. Every time I attempted to modify our relationship into something that worked for both of us, they acted like I was kicking them when they were down, being unreasonably demanding when they already were under such trauma. Which I was, of course, since they were *always* down and *always* traumatized. And because I loved them, and wanted to be nice, and didn't want to hurt them... I was rewarding this poor-little-me behavior. I'd want to do [X], they'd want me to do [Y] instead, they'd play the victim card, and I'd roll over. It became like a button that they just had to push to get their way... and who wouldn't push that button when you provide it to them? I won't tell you to dump your girlfriend, but I will say this -- if this is a relationship that you want to be in forever, then the relationship should fill the needs that are important to you. Sex is obviously one of those, if it was worth jeopardizing your relationship to get it, and it sounds like you're unhappy in several other areas as well. If you can't turn that relationship into something that fits who you really are, then you'll never be content in it. I know a lot of people who've been abused and molested... in fact, I'm one of them. We fall into two groups... those of us who let it run our lives, and those who don't. She's letting it run (and ruin) her life right now, and that means that she's still being abused. Jamesian psychology says, in a nutshell, "Fake it 'til you make it"... and the act of her gritting her teeth and powering past her hang-ups may be the key to them genuinely losing their hold on her. If she's indulged to the point that she never has to get over it... she may never do it on her own. Anyway, good luck, and I hope things turn out well for you.

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I don’t know why I did it, really… Yeah, you do. People always know. They pretend they don't, but they do. You did it because you wanted hot sex with someone who made it clear they wanted you. Understandable. Still wrong based on the terms of your relationship, but understandable. Partly because our therapist had this “I don’t keep secrets” policy That's a pretty fucked up therapist. Find one who isn't an idiot. And yeah, find one in-person. Online 'therapy' is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard of. A therapist needs the total of what's going on--they need to see your facial expression while you talk about something, your body language, your tone of voice. Here's the thing: your relationship is basically over. You've shown that it isn't that important to you by sleeping around. That's not judgement! You had an agreement with your girlfriend.. getting off was more important than that agreement, which is basically everything you need to know. Obviously you don't want to hurt her. That's admirable, but as said above, kind of patronizing (matronizing?). I've been on the flipside of that.. there is nothing worse than someone sayign "Well i didn't want to hurt you, so I didn't tell you." Treat me like an adult, not like a child. Treat her like an adult. Get a couples' therapist who will also see both of you individually. But honestly, I don't think that's going to go much of anywhere. Good luck anyway.

dirtynumbangelboy

It seems like you're more in love with the idea of a relationship than with your girlfriend.

kerfuffled

To me, this part seemed most relevant: After about six months to a year (shortly after moving in together), our sex life started to fizzle (think lesbian bed death syndrome). So it sounds like passion was there, but at some point it fizzled. And it seems like the fizzling coincided with the moving in together. Could it be that she just has a lower sex drive, and it only came to light when you started living together, when sex theoretically could be had every night, as opposed to only on date nights? Second thought has to do with the various previous postings about disparity in power, some saying that you have all the power, others saying that the GF has all the power. Well, I happen to think that the two of you are enabling each other in having the GF be dependent on you, and that both of you are enabling each other in the pattern of behavior. She's acting like the helpless victim, and you are allowing her to act like a helpless victim by taking care of her when she isn't. And because the dynamic is that of you as the adult and she as the child, she's following her childhood emotional/sexual patterns, which is feeling out of control/not desiring sex. So if you think if if that way, it's more than understandable that she would want to have some control over her sex life. Also, why don't you ask her to describe to you what types of sexual acts she associates with her abuse, and just don't do any of those things? If the sexual molestation was preceded by a kiss, grabbing her belt, etc, just don't do those things, and tell her that you will never do those things. If she has trouble articulating the acts, then ask her to tell you what isn't associated with her abuse, and just stick to those. Last, cheating is NOT okay. I'm glad you stopped it. But seeing as how the two of you started dating in the 1st place by cheating on your then partners (we met while we were in (unsatisfying) relationships with other people, left our respective partners to be together) I wonder if this is a pattern of behavior for you? Perhaps you should also think about whether a long-term, committed relationship is what you are looking for right now, and about your own expectations about what a "relationship" entails. Are you being realistic? Good luck. Relationships are hard.

jujube

You are going to hear from a ton of people advising you to break up with your girlfriend. I don't think that's a decision we're qualified to make for you. But I will say that you need to talk to your girlfriend. Whether that means finding a new therapist, one who makes you comfortable enough to be honest, or just sitting down with her and telling her how you really feel, you need to find a way to be frank with her about what you're thinking and feeling. It sounds like you're keeping a lot of this from her because you're afraid of hurting her. You think of her as a fragile person who needs to be protected from the reality of life, including the worst of your feelings and recent behavior. And that comes from a place of love; it's a sign that you care about her, that you want to protect her. But it's also incredibly patronizing. By not telling her the truth about what's going on in a relationship in which she's supposed to be an equal partner, you're treating her like less than a fully adult woman. You're treating her like a child who can't handle the truth of the situation, and thus shouldn't be permitted to make her own decisions. And that's even more unfair to her than heaping a lot of emotionally upsetting information on her would be. Right now, you have all the power because you have all of the information about what's really going on in your relationship, and she has little or no information. Give her some power back. If you can't do that, if you can't find a way to be more vulnerable with this woman you clearly love very deeply, then yes, I think you do need to let her go. But it would be better for both of you if you could find a way to let her in on some of your secrets, so that you could make decisions that affect both of you together, so that neither of you would have to feel so alone anymore.

decathecting

I'm not going to give an opinion about whether you should stay together or break up. I'm just going to say that being with someone who turns you down, repeatedly, whenever you initiate sex, will wear on your self esteem slowly and subtly until you will do anything (have affairs, etc.) for someone who *wants* you. I'm also going to say that being in a relationship is about taking care of each other - it shouldn't be one person always taking care of the other one. You should feel like your partner has "got your back." They're looking out for you. They put your needs first, and you put their needs first, and everybody's needs get met. It doesn't sound like any of this is happening for you. Try getting a better therapist. One that you feel good about. There are hundreds - sounds like you just ended up with a bad one before. And don't give into your fear of talking to your therapist or your girlfriend. Just start talking... sometimes it's not as hard as you think it will be.

eleyna

Talking about it face to face with a therapist will be good practice for talking about it face to face with your girlfriend, and for all the other times in your life when you'll have to talk to people. You'll get to know and trust your therapist over time, and then you won't be talking with someone you don't know. You can share little by little, as you get comfortable. This is a skill that it's important to learn, and therapy is a great place to learn it. (Which is a roundabout way of saying that I think your reticence to go to therapy is all the more reason that you should try therapy. Online or phone therapy is usually designed for people who can't, for logistical reasons, meet a therapist in person. It shouldn't be used as a way to avoid having difficult conversations.)

decathecting

Sometimes the best way to help a "fragile" person is to be completely honest with them, because nothing else will show them that they CAN handle emotional upset. If you come clean with her about the cheating, of course she'll be hurt, but it will make her a stronger person. The other side of this coin is that I think your fear of hurting her is less about her and more about the fact that you don't want to be seen as a bad person. (I speak from experience - I will jump through almost any hoops to avoid being regarded as an asshole.) Regardless of your reasons, you did something shitty, and until you're honest with her and forgive yourself, there's really no potential for a relationship here.

desjardins

I'm not a lesbian, so forgive me if my advice doesn't relate to your situation, but I've heard Rosie O'Donnell speak about a common phenomena in lesbian relationships called http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_bed_death... Perhaps you could read up on it and talk frankly with your partner about your feelings?

amyms

Generally, being in a relationship means that your partner is allowed to initiate sex without having to ask permission first. Yes, both partners have the right to say 'not tonight, dear', but the attempt itself should not be seen as assault. And if your girlfriend sees it that way, then it is possible that she is not ready to be in a relationship. But I agree with everyone else that you have to talk to her. You don't have to tell her about the cheating, but she needs to know that her emotional issues about the past have put her current relationship at risk. She may say that it's not fair, because it's not her fault she was abused. That's true, but it's not your fault either. She needs to give you some kind of assurance that she is working on her recovery with the goal of being a complete, healthy, sexual partner to you. But she doesn't yet know that you need that because you haven't told her. Good luck to you.

happyturtle

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