Yank needs advice on settling in Montreal
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How to settle in Montreal? I have decided to move to Montreal this summer. It has been my dream to live there since I first visited four years ago. However, after months of job hunting I am still without a job offer and working permit and am concerned about my chances of finding long-term employment once I arrive there. I will be in Montreal next week interviewing with an agency that specializes in Internet marketing, the field I currently work in. If they hire me and http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/en/home.shtml confirms the job offer I am home free. If not, I will still move and instead work odd jobs (i.e., off-the-books) to pay the rent until I find long-term employment. I need advice on the following: 1. What kind of temporary employment can a foreign national without a work permit easily find in Montreal (or in any big city)? 2. Will wages from temporary, service-level work, be enough to cover basic living expenses like food and rent in Montreal? 3. How might working off-the-books affect my future chances at permanent residency? 4. Should I start by subletting an (studio) apartment from someone? Also, can I expect to find reasonably priced apartments that are not far from the city centre? 5. Other than personal identification, do I need to show Canadian border officials specific documents when entering Canada for an extended visit? 6. Assuming I do not have a work permit by the time I cross the border, will border officials be suspicious if my car is carrying more 'gear' than average for a visiting American? (I would like to bring basic supplies for the apartment but can otherwise buy what I need in Montreal.) Further background: I am 24 and live in Chicago, I have a Bachelor's degree in Marketing, five years of professional work experience in Internet marketing and marketing research, and limited (but slowly improving) French language skills. (Also, if any Montreal MeFites are interested in grabbing a drink or checking out the Jazz Festival with me next week send me an email.)
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Answer:
seriously man, fuck what everyone else says. if you want to live in Montreal, you can make it happen. I did it for five years, spoke no French, did not die, feel a better person for it. You will never regret trying. Everyone who is dragging on about immigration laws, etc, hasn't broken any, hasn't done anything, is advising via the fucking internet not to try. if they had done something sweet, at any time, anywhere, trust me, they wouldnt be on the internet at 2am telling you not to do something. If you feel you must go to Montreal, hell yes go there. I miss Montreal like the high school girlfriend i wish I had married. If you want to make it work, somehow, it will all work out. Good luck, Godspeed.
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So you move to Montreal and start doing under the table odd jobs. What the hell are you going to do about satisfying income requirements on your residency application? Show them a pile of cash you illegally earned in Canada? Make up a fake 1040? Also, you'll need a backup place in the US where Immigration Canada can send semi-processed paperwork, and near where you can do any interviews that might be necessary. This could be inconvenient and expensive. Fucking around with immigration people isn't generally a smart thing to do. Fucking around with the immigration people of a country you actually want to emigrate to, and not one you're a tourist in and that you don't care if you get banned from forever? Spectacularly unwise.
ROU_Xenophobe
2. It is very easy to scrape by in Montreal, however, it is very difficult to get a good job if you don't have any contacts or aren't billingual. Good jobs will pay you about 75% of what you would make elsewhere in Canada. Also, it is not always summer time in Montreal. Just keep that in mind.
dobie
Do you absolutely HAVE to be in Canada by this summer? If not, why not be patient and do things the legitmate way? Barring Australia, Canada is probably the easiest country in the Western World to immigrate to. It has a transparent points-based system that is a model for immigration reform the world over. Unless you have a criminal record or have absolutely no marketable skills, chances are that you'd get in sooner than later. If you still insist on going now and are going to work under the table, then go on a student visa and take a course at McGill or Concordia. That will be much easier to explain later down the road.
randomstriker
i second the suggestion to try to get in on a student visa. once you're in canada on a student visa, you can apply for a http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/study/work-opps.html#offcampus, which will make getting a job easier. once you have a job, it'll be easier for you to stay.
sergeant sandwich
All your questions are answered on the website for Immigration Canada and in previous AskMeFi questions. You can approach it legally, which is not hard but requires a bit of pre-planning. Or you can just approach it illegally, which is actually harder and will cost you more. Why are you approaching it illegally? Legal approach: apply for permanent residency and (in the meantime) an open work permit. This is pretty much a slam-dunk unless you have multiple felonies on your record. If you had started the immigration process your years ago when you decided to move to Canada, you'd have been living in Montreal for three years now. Illegal approach: drive up there, lie to the border guards, try to find cash jobs, since non-cash jobs won't be able to employ you. Risk being deported and banned long-term from a country where you want to live. Note that if you try to cross with border with enough stuff to live on, you're not even going to make it across the border, you'll be banned right there.
jellicle
Landscaping and other similar jobs are easy to be had under the table around here. If you're willing to persue that type of work let me know and I'll mention it to someone. Bachelor pads or larger can be had for $500-$700 in the NDG district, which is near Westmount and a five minute bike ride from downtown. Prices will be a bit more if you're looking in the Mile End or Plateau area, but then you're in the heart of things. A metro card is only $65 a month (good for bus and metro all over the island) and if you are at the extreme east metro (Honoré Beaugrand) it takes about 25 min to hit downtown.
furtive
You can easily find a bachelor pad for ~300$ in areas near downtown, especially in the area around the Berri-UQAM metro/bus station (I believe the area is called the Latin Quarter) as well as many other 'hoods both close and farther from downtown. I've never heard of anyone I know in the student/low income bracket having trouble finding a place to stay. I believe I heard Montreal is the telemarketing capital of North America (or the world?) and I do not doubt it. I have a friend who has married into Canadian citizenship, but won't be able to work for some months yet. He is from Belgium, speaks no french whatsoever, and is working a telemarketing job until then. He and his wife are living fine on that money combined with her low paying job. It is a good way to live until you can get a legit job. You might shy away from telemarketing, but given your background, perhaps not. Regardless, if you have marketing training, working at a place that pays on commision will probably bring in a lot of money for you. And many of these places will pay under the table and you won't need any French. Just be SURE you check the place out first and try to get a handle on how honest the operation is (maybe impossible for a telemarketing place), I've had a few friends get stiffed for pay at some of the seedier operations in town.
The Wig
Just so you know, you're asking how to break Canadian immigration law. If the question is even kosher, allow me to answer a few of those. 1. Legally? None. 3. If they find out? Badly. Really badly. 5. Are you an American citizen? Then not really, no. You will need to have reasonable proof that you are a visitor, don't plan to work, and plan to leave before your 6 month valid stay is up. This is up to the border officer. 6. Probably, yes.
generichuman
Well, if you would like Montreal to be your home, I would definitely suggest keeping your activities legal. I know it's frustrating, as I am trying to figure out the best way to move to Australia, and there doesn't seem to be one best route. You may have a chance even without a job offer; I plugged in what information you gave in your post, and got a score of 67, which is also the cut-off score. So you might just be able to get in. Otherwise, if you have no job offer and your points are too low, I would second the student visa idea, if you can afford it. A second bachelor's is often only two years - perhaps you can take French as a major? You would accumulate extra points that way, and probably make a lot of contacts, making getting a job offer when you're done much easier. Plus you would be already be living in Montreal! Anyway, best of luck with your interview; hopefully you won't end up needing any of this advice.
meringue
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