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Where to live, where to live? So, I know this question has been asked a http://ask.metafilter.com/79969/Help-me-decide-where-to-live-worldwide of times http://ask.metafilter.com/13145/. But, I think my situation is a bit different (with some important constraints) and I am seeking both actual and anecdotal advice on where to live in this wonderful world. Details inside. The SO and I have been thinking a lot about our futures and how we want to spend our lives together. We are in a very fortunate situation (lack of commitments, etc) in that we can move practically anywhere in the world. So, we've decided to give it a whirl and have given ourselves until the end of 2008 to tie our loose ends in good old Chicago, USA and find the perfect new country. Unfortunately, we do have some requirements given our stages in life (both professionally and personally). Professionally, the girlfriend is a clinical pharmacist working in a hospital setting. So, we need to relocate where her licensure and skill set is completely or somewhat transferable. That is, a place that has a similar need and use of pharmacists as the US. Also, I am an entrepreneur, and although I would continue my involvement with my company in the States, I would very quickly need to start a new venture in my new home. So, countries that are technologically savvy, well-educated, have a strong entrepreneurship and venture capital network, and generally capitalistic are preferred. Now, with the technical requirements out of the way, I can get into the personal stuff. In lieu of describing what we want out of our new home, I will describe what we like and do. -I am 31, she is 30. We have no children. -We love long dinners (preferably al fresco) over great wine and long conversations. -We love natural beauty and warm weather. -We love historical buildings, locations, and history in general. -Our friends are extremely diverse and we prefer our new friends be as well. -Well-educated conversationalists are a must. -Libraries, cafes, theaters, and museums are necessary. -Nice people, if possible. -And of course, our biggest vice is boredom, and we don't watch TV, so dynamism is extremely important. So, hive mind where in the world should we live?
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Your keywords: skilled migrants. Australia has a program for highly-educated/skilled people http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/visa-options.htm; essentially, it's a lot easier to migrate if you have a profession which is in high demand. There are similar programs for New Zealand and Canada, both of which have tests you can take to see if you qualify under a points-based system to apply for a visa. http://www.immigration.govt.nz/pointsindicator/ (with links to their areas of demand/future growth), http://www.cic.gc.ca/EnGLIsh/immigrate/skilled/assess/index.asp; you can take the little quiz thing multiple times and don't have to sign in or anything, so no consequences. Britain and Ireland don't meet the warm weather qualifications and might blow whatever budget you have. Malta (and to some extent, Cyprus) also speak English, are EU members, are in the Mediterranean, and perhaps have more opportunities for pharmacists given their high proportion of retirees. Singapore is one of the most entrepreneur-friendly countries in the world, speaks English, and is plenty hot, and is situated in a fascinating neighborhood. And the food is mind-blowing. As for your actual question - where would we like to go? - I think it's actually more important to focus on getting all your vital documents in order and actually move somewhere (anywhere, even!) by answering this: where can we go? On the NZ quiz, I put in what I could glean from your data above (your ages, educations, occupations, and presumed amount of work experience) and you got a score of 130, which is above the current threshold of 100 points; presumably this means you'd stand a pretty good chance of moving there. The pass mark for the Canadian quiz is 67 right now; I could only get you up to 55 based on what I know, but perhaps you know more about your life than some random dude on the Internet. Overall, you need to be flexible with your desires: you might only qualify for visas if you're willing to live somewhere more rural or isolated, or if you're willing to change what you do for a living. You may have to sacrifice a lot to start your new life somewhere, but as an expat myself, I can say that the hassles and the paperwork are worth it. Finally, on preview: are you both US citizens?
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Consider The Netherlands - the economy is great, almost everyone in Amsterdam and in the cities speaks English fluently, foreigners (and esp Americans) are well-received, and it's a great place to live...
mateuslee
Never been there, but how about Kozhikode?
coffeefilter
My intuition says Italy. You'd need to learn the language, but enough italians speak English that the transition is doable. Second guess, give Chennai a look. English is pervasive (among the business/educated class), and one of you speaks Hindi. Lots of entrepreneurial spirit, and I think that it meets your climate requirements.
Citrus
Countries all over the world are making migration harder unless you are willing to invest major moolah. You are probably going to be the lead applicant, and your partner the 'trailing spouse' as the expat lingo goes. Despite this, there are many countries that are 'traditional' for expats for good reason - besides the weather, working life etc, there is the infrastructure to make setting up in a new country and settling in easier. eg, I'm in the Netherlands, there are expat offices and plenty of clubs to help you navigate the bureaucracy (even though I'm an EU citizen it's still tricky). I think most of the countries in this part of Europe could be an option for you, although the weather is not ideal over winter. Best of luck with your search, wherever you go.
wingless_angel
I'd say that you're looking for Western Europe, if you can find a way around the taxes. Being from Canada, I'd veto it.
Beardman
http://ask.metafilter.com/97537/Help-us-find-a-new-country#1421560 -- "Once you have a right of residence in one country then you are free to live and work in the rest of Europe ..." Important distinct between residence and (what I suspect you're thinking of) citizenship. Since 2002 I've had what's known as Indefinite Leave to Remain, permanent residence in the UK. But I can't live nor work - legally - in other European nations. My wife is Dutch, we keep a second flat in Amsterdam, but even so I can't live nor work there. I could either take Dutch citizenship or acquire a spouse visa, but my UK Indefinite Leave expires if I'm out of the England for two years. Lots of restrictions unless one is a full citizen of a EU country, but once that new passport has been acquired we're back to the tax ramifications that I mentioned earlier. In general, European taxes are more aggresive and higher than in the US. This means not only do you hit the highest rates quicker, but those higher rates are in some cases much, much higher than the Stateside load. That being said, it is possible to play off both systems against each other to dramatically lower one's overall burden, but this advantage disappears once takes EU (in my case either UK or Nederlands) citizenship. Finally, every country is interested in attracting entrepreneurs; the capital and other requirements vary, but it seems for European nations if you can put about $250K to maybe $500K on the table as money dedicated to start a business, you will get fast tracked in (sidenote: the US does this as well). For obvious reasons, countries don't really publicise these shortcuts, but they exist. On the low end, when I last looked at these programs The Dominican Republic only cost $80K.
Mutant
I'm surprised no one has suggested Italy. Not Rome and not too near the coast.
cmoj
Here in Europe the traditional view (and still a very broadly accurate IMHO) is that the north is the best place for business and the south, around the Mediterranean, is best for climate (both places will provide your cultural and educational requirements in spades). These days cheap flights and online working have led to a rise in the number of people who keep a home in both areas - and who also may divide their business interests in this way. Once you have a right of residence in one country then you are free to live and work in the rest of Europe so you could potentially come to somewhere like the UK on a points system and then either extend or move your interests to somewhere like southern France or Catalonia. The exact nature of the problems you will encounter as an entrepeneur will vary substantially according to the type of business you want to set up: so you need to think about what this will be, establish whether you are going to need to employ local people and so on.
rongorongo
the problem with south america, i think, is going to be corruption. if you're not happy dealing with that then being a entrepreneur may be tricky (although i don't really know what that means - see below). if that's not an issue, nor the spanish, then buenos aires sounds good. or, if you can cope with portuguese, perhaps one of the big cities in brazil (i know less about them). santiago has much less corruption (and a very open, easy, transparent regulatory system for being self employed etc), but misses out on "cosmopolitan big city" vibe, which sounds important. also, if being an entrepreneur means generally bullshitting, trying to raise money and hussle deals (i am a technocrat and so perhaps don't understand) then everyone down here (santiago at least, and i assume continent-wide) is doing that already. the economy is much more fluid. and without community contacts i'm not sure how you'd win out. finally, for what it's worth, living in another country, with a different culture, may be harder than you expect.
not sure this is a good idea
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