What's the glue that makes people stick?
-
What's the glue that makes people stick? I've been struggling with this for so long, it's been years, & I'm all out of ideas. What is the paradoxical "glue" that makes people "stick" together? I mean the thing that makes you want to hang around somebody consistently & have them in your life? I seem to make friends easily, but have no luck keeping them in my life. I have been told very often that I am funny, am caring & a good listener. I really do care about people in general & like to make them laugh & see others happy, as I am to be in their company. But for the life of me I can't seem to create bonds that go any further than that- though I always make an effort to keep in touch (email, texts) or invite people I do like to go out & do things multiple times, that we're both into (common interests). But I always seem to get the blow off, it hurts & I don't know what "imaginary faux pas" I must have commited cause I'm not aware of it, I've tried different approaches to situations & have still gotten the same results. So what is it that keeps you with a sort of "bond" with someone else, someone you want in your life & what to hang out with on a semi regular basis? Someone you really do care about? I'm not asking for a new bff, (but, really that would be nice). Just someone who wants to go & hang out, & checks up on you through texts just saying hi or something (as I do), & particularly more than every 4 months or so. Basically I've been this way most of my life. I had short periods of having a sense of "core" friends, which had dissolved for differing reasons through the years. I used to be extremely insecure & socially wounded but have worked past all that & am a completely different person now than I ever was. I really think I am a good person & interesting & like who I am. I like to treat people with kindness & understanding, I don't like to judge people & try to make most experiences light & enjoyable because there is enough bad things & unkindness in the world, I hate to see anyone feeling that way- life is too short. I do little things for people I care about, that's just the way I am. Growing up I had no support from my family, siblings that were far beyond the definition of cruelty & a parent who did not protect me or even pretty much acknowledge my existence. One of my parents has always been there for me but is frankly a bit of a neurotic mess & clingy/codependent to a high degree that makes it quite hard to deal with most of the time. Growing up my family was very antisocial & still is- seems everyone has trouble making a lot of friends. So as far as a family bond I really don't have any- maybe this is something others can sense? Possibly I don't have the gene/capacity or ever learned how to forge a lasting bond with other people? When I hear people walking by talking small talk, I really can't relate & feel quite alienated. I know people stick with people who are like themselves, but I don't seem to find people like me or who think the way I do. I've tried therapy, meetups, but mostly don't connect to anyone. In my life in general, I find my timeline for hanging out with people is about an hour or so & find that if I hang out with them longer than that I get bored or feel what do we do next? Or feel they do, or start figuring what's the point, or I do (not always though, but mostly). I guess I've been alone for so long that's where my interactions end up to- which is not that big of a deal cause generally I don't usually see anybody for more than an hour or so- & I generally don't feel this way with people I really do like, which is far & between. I usually don't find a lot of people I really like & want to hang out with, which is troubling, I guess. I never used to before but now start thinking after a while if we've know each other for a bit, when are they going to leave & stop writing me & be out of my life? (this has happened sooo many times I can't even count, so now it's become a predictable thought because I've had so much history of it happening. I've had so many people just "dissappear"). I know people come and go, but come on, 1 or 2 stick around? Even people who have over & over said to me unsolicitedly that I mean so much to them & how much I've changed their life & that they love me.. Then they seem to want to only hear or initiate seeing each other every 5 months or so, even though I'd try to initiate hanging out with no avail, or just saying hi, the last of which was a short text convo with my last text not responded back to (which has happened a lot before), & this person means a lot to me. Do you not respond back in kind if you happen to hear from them at a later date? I have a hard time being what I feel is rude to people- do onto others seems to get me, but pushover comes to mind as I have been one in the past). So long story not short, what is it? It's been years I've been dealing with this & can't find an answer, haven't had a SO in a long time & never really get hit on by the opposite sex, so that's not really going well or helping either. Are some people just meant to be alone? I can name a lot of people in my family & some I know who seem to be in the same boat. It's strange & I feel I'm a pretty smart person so I should be able to figure out what I'm doing wrong or what's the missing piece here. It just seems no one really wants me in there life permanently, & I don't know why. It's rare when I find someone I really want to be around & really like & connect with, which feels kinda isolating but I guess that's just the way I am. & when I do find someone I really like & feel a strong bond/connection with, they seem to wither off, even though they tell me they feel a deep connection with me & a kindred spirit feeling & really nice things like that, all without being asked & just said when we're not even talking about anything remotely on that subject. I really don't even enjoy anything I used to, I really don't see the point to most anything anymore. This has just really surface in the last 2 months, as I feel I don't know what to do anymore. Life is full of a lot of things, but it's human connections that make life worth while. It hurts. I'm lost. I just want love like anyone else, I don't want to wake up on my own anymore. It really hurts my heart. Sorry for the long post & thanks for reading. Throwaway email: [email protected]
-
Answer:
I have no idea about you personally, but anyone who's single (I'm guessing you are?) and over the age of 22 or so will probably have a hard time making/keeping friends when everyone is moving away, moving on, going to grad school, getting married, and having families without you. I have gone for years without close nearby friends, and when I've had a big friend group, they break up after about 2 years because guess what, people move/marry/have kids/move on and since my life isn't overlapping with theirs any longer, there I go out of it. Most people want to be friends with someone in the same life circumstances as they are and mine are unusual compared to everyone else's, so I don't tend to "match." Really, I've just managed to get lucky with a few people who will stick by me, are loyal, actually are cool with communication, and well, haven't had massive life changes that ruled me out of the picture for them. One friend moved to another state and I came back from visiting her recently. But it depends on how much staying power the person has. It's not always a question of "what's wrong with me," it could be that they just...lose the mojo with distance or different life circumstances. I think honestly, you just get lucky occasionally. But don't ask me how I managed it because 95% of the time I haven't either!
anonymous at Ask.Metafilter.Com Visit the source
Other answers
In short, I think it is the same thing which makes relationships work: - caring for and loving other people - caring for and loving yourself in equal parts. You sound like you do a lot of the former, but perhaps not enough of the latter. If you do not love yourself and nurture your own confidence and self-esteem, you may come across in friendships and relationships as over-keen, needy, or dependent. Giving a lot of yourself is a lovely thing to do, but it must be balanced out by a healthy amount of self-reliance and self-confidence in order to be seen as "normal" by people seeking a friendship with you. Therapy will help you to improve how you nurture yourself, and in turn your friendships. But also remember that friendships are, again, like relationships in that there are many potentials out there but only a few who will really stick. I have made a number of my closer friends in the last two years of my life. Sometimes it takes time to figure out who you are, and that can delay the process - be patient, and don't worry if not many of them "stick". And keep on working on being happy in yourself - to paraphrase Wayne's World, if you build yourself, the friends will come :)
greenish
I think that unless you are a person who is especially attractive - either physically or mentally - a lot of it is just a combination of luck and circumstances. I think of myself as a reasonably nice guy. I can be sociable. I have my faults, god knows, but I'm aware of them and I know how to rein them in. But the fact is that I just don't seem to keep friends (barring maybe three exceptions). I'm in my early fifties and I've lost more friends than I can count. They've come and gone. When I was married I had more friends than I'd ever had in my life, but after my wife left me they pretty much all disappeared. I concluded from that they were really my ex-wife's friends, not mine. It didn't seem that way at the time, but the results speak for themselves, as it were. I know this: those maybe three friends I have who have stuck with me through the fat and the lean years have been those I didn't try to make. They've been those I didn't actively try to cultivate. They've just been people I was lucky to meet, and hit it off with. I suspect it's a bit like lovers. You can go to all the dating sites you like; you can read all the "How to meet and impress men/women" books you like, but unless you get lucky and your life happens to intersect with that soul mate, you're going to have to settle for less. Which is fine, as far as it goes. Never lose sight of that. You may not find the soul mate or the lifelong friend. That happens. Therapy isn't going to change that. Just be yourself, think about other people's feelings, listen to other people... but above all, be yourself. You cannot have a true friend unless they know the real you. Right?
Decani
k8t started off right. Social capital is the foundation, that is, trading value-for-value with another person and working to keep a positive balance with them. That may sound harsh and clinical in our Disney/romance/feelings-based society but the hard facts are that we do these calculations in our head without even thinking about it. For example, somebody calls up and asks for help moving next weekend. Your brain does some quick math to see if that friend has any capital to draw on for such a big favor. If your friend has been asking for lots of favors but returning none your brain will flag the account as "Overdrawn". He may be slightly overdrawn at the moment but has a history of repaying with interest, so it could be a good investment. Or not! Sometimes we go against the advice of the social banker in our heads but we then get angry about doing the favor. Also, the types of "payments" to the accounts of other must be in a form the other person values. Think of it like a birthday present in that way. If I give a friend my prized stuffed skunk (not a real example!) but my friend hates both skunks and stuffed animals then the gift isn't valued by the recipient. In the same way, I have to understand what types of social transactions are valued by my friends in order to make deposits in my accounts with them. So social "account" balance is how we determine whether or not another person is "worth" being connected to. Now, for the people with whom we have positive-to-neutral balances, squeeze in a modicum of adrenaline as the bonding agent. Shared experiences where adrenaline is a factor helps create a sense of bonding. Doesn't have to be death-defying events (probably best not, right?) but small doses of adrenaline. This heightens the experience plus helps burn it into the old memory banks. When good friends get together and retell old stories they aren't about sitting in the basement playing video games but about when exciting things happened, intentionally or otherwise.
trinity8-director
I agree with bunderful's answer. I'll expand on it just a little bit to say that 1) a lot of people get frustrated and move on when they try to offer us help and we don't take it, and 2) try to be accepting if someone you otherwise genuinely like does not accept your help for something (in these examples, "help" means advice on life issues, not like giving someone a ride to the airport or something). To add anecdata - the people I consider my closest friends, who I don't even talk to all that often, are people I've met through support groups. They know all my stuff and I know theirs, and we hang out sometimes because we genuinely enjoy each other's company. My more frequent "hang out" friends are ones who are interested in the same things I am interested in right now; I have gym/workout friends, mom/playdate friends, and couples/gamenight friends, for instance. Lastly, I learned a while back not to treat every social situation as an opportunity to meet my New Best Friend, but rather as an opportunity to meet some nice people and have a nice time out. If I met someone I got along with, I learned to take things slow and not overwhelm them with "Let's Be Friends!!"
vignettist
Growing up I had no support from my family, siblings that were far beyond the definition of cruelty & a parent who did not protect me or even pretty much acknowledge my existence. THIS is worth exploring either on your own (reading up on dysfunctional family dynamics and the long-term effects thereof) or with a therapist (for guidance, and to have someone insightful enough to help you gauge your own recovery). It's no coincidence that you're now a depressed adult (yeah, gonna label you at the moment, sorry). Your earliest experiences of being "loved" was constant feedback that NOT ONLY are you not even worth acknowledging, but the fact that you even exist warrants TORTURE. This is not trivial. It is very real and it is very damaging, especially for an adult who has never gotten the hardcore clear message to the contrary. So as far as a family bond I really don't have any- maybe this is something others can sense? Possibly I don't have the gene/capacity or ever learned how to forge a lasting bond with other people? It's not so much of a genetic defect as the fact that you were not socialized properly from an early age in how to nurture -- both others and yourself. This is not your fault in any way -- it just is what it is. You probably are charming and witty and awesome to be around, and certainly people are drawn to your strength and underdog-developed abilities, BUT they don't know what to make of you BEYOND that -- where your undernourished self STILL exists, waiting to be nurtured. It's paradoxical how you can be so captivating and yet so unresponsive at the core. You said it yourself -- you get bored easy. You're searching and searching for a real human connection, and yet you haven't found the reassurance that it even exists in anyone yet. It's rare when I find someone I really want to be around & really like & connect with, which feels kinda isolating but I guess that's just the way I am. & when I do find someone I really like & feel a strong bond/connection with, they seem to wither off, even though they tell me they feel a deep connection with me & a kindred spirit feeling & really nice things like that, all without being asked & just said when we're not even talking about anything remotely on that subject. Other people who have been neglected as severely as you were can empathize, even if they don't consciously understand what it is about you that makes them so comfortable. It might even unnerve them because they can't understand for themselves (and hence, they wither away). They have their own issues to sort out. Maybe they don't know how to talk about them yet. Maybe they're afraid that you'll think they're crazy. Maybe they can't admit their own truth yet. Either way, clearly you DO have the ability to connect with some people, even if it's not an ability you can master yet. The great news is that you can STILL learn the skills that your family of origin failed to teach you. This is exactly where therapy (one-on-one or group) can help you. Don't downplay or minimize how damaging neglect and routine torture can have on a child, INCLUDING YOURSELF back when you were a child. It's like you went to music class for YEARS watching other people play instruments, but never having an instrument of your own. Now you have the chance to play, but don't even know how to properly begin. Worse yet, you know how to hang out in a band but no one understands how you can be there and NOT know how to play. It's going to be frustrating because that's a lot of time wasted when you could have been developing your own talent, but it's NOT TOO LATE TO LEARN. Don't believe for one minute that you're meant to be alone. Dysfunction is NOT destiny, so take the reins and re-write your own. Good luck!
human ecologist
There were a couple of things you said that sound very familiar. Have you ever heard the term "Highly Sensitive Person"? If you haven't, at least google the term and take a self test to see if you might be one of the 15-20% of the population with a different nervous system that causes some of the issues you are talking about. If you find that you are one, it's a remarkable discovery, when for so long you've felt so different than other people, that suddenly you find that your behaviors are somewhat predictable. Once you accept and honor this trait, a whole new world opens up.
icanbreathe
Here's my take on it: you say you want to keep things light and positive, you only see people for a short time and you have a complicated background family-wise which I bet you don't talk about much with acquaintances. So for these reasons people are only really seeing a surface you, an image you are presenting briefly and not your true self. So they react to you like a surface acquaintance/work colleague. Also of course what everyone else said about stages of life and where you live all all that too. I've met most of my good friends from spending extended amounts of time together- through meetup ski trips, share-house type things. That might not be your style but you need to see people repeatedly, at school, at work, to form common bonds to form friendships. Just meeting for coffee or dinner maintains relationships but is not enough to form them. Oh god, I am going to give you the cliched advice in summation: you have to be yourself (not just the peppy positive part of yourself) and you have to have a shared interest or bond that causes you to spend time together. Could be rock-climbing club, could be being cubicle neighbors, could be anything. Good luck and yeah the older you are the harder it is to make and keep friends, that's a fact. (IMO!)
bquarters
Hiya. Others have addressed some concerns above--you might be a little down on yourself, you might be accidentally presenting an unappealing image due to being down on yourself, that kind of thing--but I wanted to address one of your core questions. What makes people stick? There's an awesome scene in 'Madea Goes to Jail' that explains things pretty well: "Some people are meant to come into your life for a lifetime, some for only a season and you got to know which is which. And you're always messing up when you mix those seasonal people up with lifetime expectations. I put everybody that comes into my life in the category of a tree. Some people are like leaves on a tree. When the wind blows, they're over there... wind blow that way they over here... they're unstable. When the seasons change they wither and die, they're gone. That's alright. Most people are like that, they're not there to do anything but take from the tree and give shade every now and then. That's all they can do. But don't get mad at people like that, that's who they are. That's all they were put on this earth to be. A leaf. Some people are like a branch on that tree. You have to be careful with those branches too, cause they'll fool you. They'll make you think they're a good friend and they're real strong but the minute you step out there on them, they'll break and leave you high and dry. But if you find 2 or 3 people in your life that's like the roots at the bottom of that tree you are blessed. Those are the kind of people that aren't going nowhere. They aren't worried about being seen, nobody has to know that they know you, they don't have to know what they're doing for you but if those roots weren't there, that tree couldn't live. A tree could have a hundred million branches but it only takes a few roots down at the bottom to make sure that tree gets everything it needs. When you get some roots, hold on to them but the rest of it... just let it go. Let folks go." So long as you understand that sometimes a friend you thought was a branch--or worse, a root--is in fact a leaf, you can learn to be ok with that. Sometimes you meet someone in school and when you graduate, you both move on. Your shared bond is over. Sometimes you meet someone as parents of new babies and you guys stick for years and then you have an argument and it all falls apart. Your bond is broken beyond repair. Things happen to even the longest-lived of friendships. I think what people are saying above is partially right; there's always a need that you mutually meet in each other and that's why you stay friends. If that need is met by someone or something else, or if life changes you and you can't meet that need any longer, the friendship changes. It happens, that's ok, and sometimes you end up in a friend lull because of it. What you might want to address, through therapy or other means, is what happens if you've never had a long term friendship (long term, to me, means five or more years). That doesn't indicate anything wrong with you--we've certainly had posts on AskMetafilter before where people asked why it wasn't happening for them either--but if it's troubling you, address it! Therapy or volunteering. Both give you perspective. Not coincidentally, both also increase your chances of meeting good friends.
librarylis
I would like to reinforce the importance of ASKING too. Telling people your problems or asking people for help with moving etc. can begin intimacy. It lets other people know it's okay for them to ask for help, tell you about a shitty week, etc. Don't be afraid to be vulnerable yourself.
OrangeDrink
Related Q & A:
- What in an immature soil makes it difficult for plants to grow?
- What's a good job for me if I'm not a 'people' person?Best solution by Yahoo! Answers
- What kind of glue do I use for bubble charm jewelry?Best solution by Yahoo! Answers
- Anyone been to Salvador in Brazil. What's it like - beaches, people, cost of hotels etc?Best solution by answers.yahoo.com
- What are the dutch people like? what do they think of english people?Best solution by Quora
Just Added Q & A:
- How many active mobile subscribers are there in China?Best solution by Quora
- How to find the right vacation?Best solution by bookit.com
- How To Make Your Own Primer?Best solution by thekrazycouponlady.com
- How do you get the domain & range?Best solution by ChaCha
- How do you open pop up blockers?Best solution by Yahoo! Answers
For every problem there is a solution! Proved by Solucija.
-
Got an issue and looking for advice?
-
Ask Solucija to search every corner of the Web for help.
-
Get workable solutions and helpful tips in a moment.
Just ask Solucija about an issue you face and immediately get a list of ready solutions, answers and tips from other Internet users. We always provide the most suitable and complete answer to your question at the top, along with a few good alternatives below.