FinancialFutureFilter: What should I be aiming to do to ensure I'm financially ok into my old age but still living (my version of) a good life 'til then? (Australia-centric)
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I'm 29, single (assume it's going to remain that way) female, and have spent the last few years saving an amount that's getting close to about $30k, which I presently have in my bank's equivalent of a your average ING Saver account, figuring by now I'd've figured out what I could/was willing to do with it, towards securing some kind of financial future that doesn't involve a cardboard box. I haven't, largely I suppose because I don't know what I need to be aiming for. Looking for advice. More inside. When I began saving, it was with the vague feeling that I ought to do the grown-up thing and buy an apartment at some point to serve as an investment. I'm probably (depending on how I feel when the application's approved) going to go live overseas (Canada) for a few years, at some point in the next five years. To my vague figurings it sounded sensible to buy a two-bedroom place (as all the investment-property-luvvas recommend) and rent it out whilst overseas. Now, (a) economic times are changing, in ways I've never experienced before so am unfamiliar with what to expect, and (b) I'm not honestly all that comfortable with the idea of being so saddled with debt that I've got no money to do any travelling for the next 30 years (or 'til whenever I could sell this fictitious apartment for some kind of profit, which given deflation and all seems like it could be some years down the track). I'm also in a period right now where I'm disliking the field I'm working in and weighing up what to do next (which will probably involve more study), whether to go overseas, whether not to, etc etc etc -- and thinking about tying myself to a loan that prevents me from studying, prevents me from changing jobs to one that might be a better fit but pays less, and just generally prevents me living my life the way I want to, makes me uncomfortable and trapped-feeling. So, however, does the thought of reaching retirement age with nothing to my name. I've seen my grandfather struggle on the pension, and he owns his own home. I'm a frugal enough person but I don't want to spent retirement being grossly unhappy and unable to do or buy anything I want to or need. I don't know what's in my superannuation fund right now, but I spent a fair bit of my 20s studying, so I doubt very much; and it's only gotten worse of course with the stock market crapping itself. I work (and have done since I graduated) for an employer who makes only the minimum contributions to it. I make none. I'm not sure whether in the current economic climate I should or shouldn't be reconsidering that. Obviously I can't have it all, but I want as much a rewarding life as I can have. I don't want to limit my options unnecessarily, but I also want to have a secure financial future. I'm not going to have any kids whose granny-flat I can muscle in on later. ;) My immediate family are now all home-owners, and I suppose the assumption is that I'll do the same thing when I get my shit together enough (I feel pressure, too, but it's largely internal to me: the parents used to make suggestions, but I think these days they've given up on me doing anything remotely suggestive of the smell of success), but I'm also a bit different to the rest of my family in that they all want the nice house in the 'burbs with a two car garage and that makes them happy. I feel isolated in the 'burbs, want to live in areas where there's a bit of interesting stuff happening, and in an ideal world I'd go overseas once a year and change careers four times in my life. Can anyone offer any advice, specifically, I suppose, about what (if anything), and when, I should do with this $30k I've saved (including the question: is now so bad a time to buy property that I shouldn't even *consider* it?), and, more generally, any other advice on what I should be aiming for in terms of a balance between living-my-life-being-free and having an ok old age? Most of the people around me seem to be better-placed in terms of choices, either through being older and/or richer and/or more established, or partnered with two incomes to play with, and/or with a completely different goal-set; and many are inclined (naturally!) towards suggesting I should do exactly as they have. The few who don't, I worry might be going too easy on me. ;) To clarify, by the way, I'm not saying I wouldn't like to partner and/or perhaps foster a child (the latter would be some ten years down the track); but only the first of those is a priority for me, and in the interests of not counting my chickens when they may never hatch, I'd really appreciate some knowledge about how to proceed if neither ever happen--advice from outside the circle whose advice I'm currently limited to and who also may have an investment of whatever kind in me doing what they've done. Even if you wind up repeating what others think, that would be valuable and appreciated in terms of gaining a good overview of the different approaches out there; plus I trust you guys to be more objective for not knowing me! Thanks guys. :)
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Many people (at least in my experience) seem to over-estimate the soundness of real estate as an investment, versus other options. Basically, http://nytimes.com/2005/08/19/realestate/19real.html?ei=5094&en=06aa2169430147c3&hp=&ex=1124510400&partner=homepage&pagewanted=all (Somewhat US-centric article from 2005, but some good general information in it that probably applies just about anywhere.) Investment property â and by that I mean buying something that you wouldn't otherwise buy if it weren't for the profit motive â represents a very illiquid, highly leveraged investment. It's generally pretty safe as those things go, but in many non-bubble markets, you're better off taking your "down payment" money and parking it in well-diversified equities. This also avoids saddling you with debt and lets you pull the money out at any time (liquidity). It certainly seems, from what you describe, that you want more liquidity than a real estate investment is going to give you, and that you're not really dying to buy a house in general. So that would immediately tell me that buying one isn't a good idea. If I were you (and I'm not, although I'm in a similar position myself) I'd start doing research about various types of investment options (especially any tax advantages that you should be making use of, like Roth IRAs here in the 'States), probably speak with a financial advisor, decide how much money I'm willing to put into different risk/reward categories, and invest it. I suspect that an advisor is going to recommend some mix of stock/bonds/cash depending on what you want to do in the future, but that's something you and they will have to decide. I'd stay out of real estate unless you really have a burning desire to own some. With the bubble over (assuming it's over in Aus), you're not missing out or leaving money on the table by not buying property as soon as you can afford it, which is how some people were making the situation out to be just a few years ago.
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^ What Kadin2048 said, FAR more eloquently and edumacated-ly than I did.
liquado
How about finding the Aussie equivalent of http://seekingalpha.com/article/115629-s-p-500-dividend-aristocrats-past-present-and-future? /Not to be confused with the possible punchline of the global economy in the next few years, "....The Aristocrats!"
codswallop
PS: I didn't read this properly before posting the grand final thank you, but, JohnnyGunn, thanks for the clarification and for the info on what you did. Yes, you're absolutely right, having some money in reserve before doing the investing thing sounds like an excellent plan for someone like me who does want some flexibility. Mentally noting this with a few asterisks beside it, because that doesn't sound like a bad way of warding off the "trapped" feeling. Thanks eh!
springbound
Others may disagree with me, but I'd highly recommend getting thee to a financial advisor who you can trust (look for recommendations from friends, etc.). Property is a great investment normally, but the market is so cantankerous right now, values may yet drop further, making a reasonable return on your $$ over 10 years not as secure as it has been in the last 20. Plus, you'll be saddled with the responsibility of a mortgage, renters, maintenance, property taxes, etc. etc, which will make travelling abroad care-free much less likely. In all honesty, if I had 30k sitting around right now, I'd look for the bluest-collar stocks I could find that has taken a beating in the market (ones that are guaranteed to be around five years from now), and buy a ton. The markets are an opportunity right now like no other time, given the widespread malaise and unfair devaluation of so many companies. Again, however, GO TO AN ADVISOR. A conservative one, at that. Best place to start in the market when you have limited investment experience. You could, in an ideal situation, turn that 30k into your entire retirement savings need over the next 25 years, with the right investments right now.
liquado
Well, a few days on, am about as confused as ever over what to do, but thanks for all your input. Have decided to keep a questioning ear out towards acquiring a financial advisor I can trust, and in the meantime start doing some real, good research using OLechat and BoldStepDesign's recommended blogs, and codswallop's suggestion too (amongst other things I've picked up in this thread) so I feel empowered enough to act when I do come across one I can work with. In the meantime, I guess money stays in the bank. And I continue feeling indecisive. Bah! Re the suggestions I live my life now -- absolutely, I agree with that too, and I've got no intentions of giving that up. If I'm hit by a bus tomorrow and don't wake up, what's the point of lots of money in the bank waiting 'til I'm old and grey? I suppose what I'm trying to do is get an even spread of general happiness across my whole life, and working out the part I'm not sure how to finance is necessary to enabling me to feel okay about the holidays and other "now" stuff I know very well how to do, y'know? :) Anyway, thanks everyone for your thoughts! All are very appreciated!
springbound
I was suggesting cash as the safest and most appropriate current investment. I am of the mind that I am willing to sacrifice some return for liquidity. What I did was build a significant nest egg vis a vis my salary and then started investing and buying a house. I always wanted to have money available for an emergency or for living expenses if I lost my job. Once I had build a large enough (YMMV) cash reserve, I was willing to take more risk in my investments to try to get return. Timing is everything when investing. Yeah, the markets may have had an average return of 7% over the last 50 years, but if you started investing for the first time last August, you would be so far in the whole that you may never get a total return half of the market averages.
JohnnyGunn
But sitting on money because it's nice to have it around doesn't solve the part of my problem that is my desire to work out a plan for when I'm granny-aged I appreciate that, but putting your young life on hold so you can live life when you are older just doesn't strike me as the most appealing prospect.
turgid dahlia
It's an interesting thread, as I am in a similar situation but have investments. I've been keeping my money liquid (not invested) by buying CDs and thus, haven't been hit as badly as most when stocks took a nose dive. Investment people were always eyeing that money and pushing me to invest it but I didn't know what my plans were for the next 5 years (a car, a house etc) so I didn't. However, I did take about the amount you have and traveled around the world twice. That was my dream though, and although every once in a while I think about the fact that I could have put a down payment on a house I think visiting 30 countries and really living life how I wanted to were worth it. No one asks me anymore when I'm going to buy a house or have kids but they do ask what my next big trip is. Your family will get over it. Having a lot of savings gives you the freedom to make choices based on what you want, not what you need and also allows you to worry less than most people.
Bunglegirl
personally I'd wait untill the housing market has totally tanked, here in CO that hasn't happened yet. I'm still waiting to buy my $30,000 condo. But cash is king, your cash may hold better value in pounds or the euro, diversification is key. To blogs to read up on: http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/ -- Good investing info http://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/ -- Good for young people. Investing, saving money, etc.... All around awesomeness
BoldStepDesign
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