Am I screwing myself financially long-term if I go for a cheapie uncontested divorce?
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Am I screwing myself financially in the long run if I go for a cheapie quickie uncontested divorce? My husband and I have been separated since August of last year, and neither one of us have made any move toward starting divorce proceedings. I think I should get the ball rolling, but could use some advice. On the face of it, our divorce should be really easy. We don't have kids, we don't have property - our only assets are a storage unit of furniture and about 20K in savings. I have been thinking we could just split everything down the middle and go through one of those divorce mills, which looks like it would cost about $750-$1000. But the thing that makes me hesitate is that I worry that going for a 50/50 division of assets might wind up being short sighted in the long run. I made decisions during the marriage that were aimed at the benefit of our marriage but that wound up being bad for me personally. For example, when we married, I came in with a lot of student loan debt (about 25K), and he had credit card debt (about 7K). I was the financial manager in the marriage, and decided that since his credit card debt was at such a higher interest rate, it made sense for us to use the joint funds to aggressively pay it off. So now (to the best of my knowledge), he has no credit card debt in his name (I don't have any), yet I still have all the student loan debt, which was barely reduced during our marriage (we will have been married 4 years this year). Additionally, we were both in graduate school at the same time, and when I was graduating and looking for jobs, he had decided that he wanted to apply for postdocs outside of the state (we were living in NYC). Money was tight, and I knew we would have moving costs, so again, my student loan payments were either at the minimum payment or put on deferment while I socked away as much cash as possible to be able to afford the move. Additionally, since I knew it was likely that we would be moving just months after graduation, I was reluctant to get a job in my field of study just to quit so soon, so I took a job I was probably underqualified for and would feel comfortable leaving. What wound up happening is that my husband wound up applying for and accepting a postdoc in another country, making the decision unilaterally with little regard to my lack of interest in leaving the US. I went with him because I didn't want to give up on our marriage that easily, but I was horribly unhappy and the marriage blew apart under those circumstances. So now I am back in NYC, working another job that doesn't make a ton of money because I took the first one I was offered in order to get resettled. And this cost of living here is much higher single than married, so money is tight. Meanwhile, we have not yet separated our finances - I was unemployed for the first four months of our separation, but now that I'm working and somewhat resettled, my husband has asked me to start separating them out, which is what has got me thinking that I want to make sure to do them right. So I guess my questions are: -Should I try for a division of assets that reflects some compensation for the personal sacrifices I made during the marriage? -If I do that, will it wind up costing so much in lawyer fees that it wouldn't be worth it? -Does the fact that I wasn't working during half our separation negate any additional claim I might have? -If I do decide to ask for more of the assets, how do I bring it up to him without getting him horribly defensive? We haven't talked about this at all - horrible communication was part of the breakdown of the marriage - but I would like to end things as amicably as possible and still wind up looking out for my best interests for a change. Throwaway email: [email protected]
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Answer:
If you both came into the marriage with the debts then they were your own debts not your spouse's. Then as you preferentially paid off his $7K debt rather than servicing both debts equally, I think at most you could claim is the the debt repayment should have been equal. Therefore, he owes you $3.5K. If I were your ex-spouse I would agree to this without needed a lawyer. If you told me I owed you more I'd fight tooth and nail. So my advice is be realistic, the best solution is the one that is fair to both parties.
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Other answers
I regretted not getting a lawyer for my divorce- it's worth at least getting a consultation to see what you need to do to properly protect yourself. I can not emphasize it enough.
Zophi
If you want to and feel able to pursue an amicable divorce, talk to a *mediator*. If that breaks down, then talk to a lawyer. Also, read this book: http://www.amazon.com/Getting-Divorced-Without-Ruining-Your/dp/074320641X As to your specific questions, they're far too complex for me to even form an opinion on.
devbrain
Do go see a lawyer. Even if things are more or less hunky dory with you and your soon-to-be-ex, you need to protect yourself -- and the things you learn in your own consultation might help both of you. You will save money in the long run by taking care now. This is one of the most worthwhile investments you can make, even if you don't think you have the money right now.
Madamina
New York State has some strong laws on community property and education: PROPERTY DISTRIBUTION ... â¢Any equitable claim to, interest in, or direct or indirect contribution made to the acquisition of such marital property by the party not having title, including joint efforts or expenditures and contributions and services as a spouse, parent, wage earner and homemaker, and to the career or career potential of the other party. ... ALIMONY/MAINTENANCE/SPOUSAL SUPPORT: Either spouse may be awarded spousal support. In determining the amount and duration of maintenance the court shall consider: ... â¢Reduced or lost lifetime earning capacity of the party seeking maintenance as a result of having foregone or delayed education, training, employment, or career opportunities during the marriage. ... â¢Contributions and services of the party seeking maintenance as a spouse, parent, wage earner and homemaker, and to the career or career potential of the other party. http://divorcesupport.about.com/od/statedivorcelaws/a/NYork_Laws.htm IANAL but if you sacrificed your career for his, it looks as though you could have a claim on part of his future income if you wanted as well.
GregorWill
Most lawyers will give you a free consultation. Why not chat with a couple of them and get some ideas as to what the likely outcome of all of this will be, what you need to watch out for, and how much it's all likely to cost in legal bills?
zachlipton
Seems like you really only have justification for the $3.5k. And if he disagrees and the whole thing turns contentious it will cost you (and him) BAJILLIONS of dollars in PURE UNADULTERATED ANGUISH, HEADACHE AND GRAR!!!!!!! Is $3500 (maaaaybe!) worth that? Split it down the middle and move on with your life.
ian1977
The New York State Bar has an http://www.courts.state.ny.us/attorneys/volunteer/vap/program_descriptions.shtml#sub5 that might help you -- a volunteer lawyer (free!) helps you prepare your papers, and may be able to advise you about division of the assets.
katemonster
He got $7000 of debt paid down, and so should you. You should get $7000 of your debt paid down from your joint account, and then you split what's left. When a friend of mine got divorced a couple of years ago, the consultation with the lawyer was free, and the divorce cost $650. He's a very good lawyer, too, not a bargain basment type. And hers was a nasty divorce, although like you, there were no kids or real property.
MexicanYenta
Ask yourself what would have happened with your debt had you not ever married this person, and what would happen if you stayed married. Frankly, I would see a lawyer or three and explain exactly this to them. Pick the one that seems most pragmatic. I would suggest not falling into the "what if" scenarios of the jobs you could have had and the money you could have been making. I think the most "profitable" outcome is for it to be over with as cheaply and equitably as possible so you can move on. If you get stiffed out of some money, so be it.
gjc
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