How do I encourage my ex to set some boundaries with me?
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Ex-boyfriend and I are trying to be friends and don't have good boundaries between us, at least from his end. He's been reluctant to set them in the past. How do I encourage him to set boundaries? (long, snowflake-y) Me: 21, female, college senior, had a violent alcoholic dad homeschool me, diagnosed with C-PTSD a couple of years ago, in therapy and getting better rapidly enough that the people around me are really impressed and proud of me. I live ~400 miles from my nearest relative, and don't have a lot of good friends in this city anymore, though I'm working on it. Yeah, this whole thing is going to be rife with daddy issues. Him: 26, male, has some issues he alludes to but I don't know very much about them. He says he's not very comfortable opening up to me about them; the only thing he's said he really has is depression. From what I've seen, his parents definitely have some boundary issues too, but not in the same way as mine. He's been encouraging to me in my quest to not be psycho, but he's very much not a fan of therapy; he believes in remaking oneself in a more self-directed way. His friends say he's been very successful with that. This was my first (and only really significant) relationship as an adult. We met on a dating site two years ago. We dated for a year, broke up for eight months, had a fuckbuddy thing going for five months (...monogamously), broke that off about a month ago, and are not currently speaking after a couple of meltdowns on my part in the last couple of weeks. The not speaking was my decision, but I think he's pissed enough at me that we wouldn't be speaking anyway. (We've both said that we have no interest in getting back togetherâbeyond my being loony tunes and us interacting a bit dysfunctionally, he wants kids and to stay in the city where we both currently live; I want to be the best childless auntie I can be and go to law school 1,000 miles away in a few yearsâbut we've agreed that the fuckbuddy thing was bringing up a lot of feelings that are better left suppressed.) We've always said that we know we want each other in our lives in some capacity; we've just been struggling with how to go about that. We have been trying very hard to be friends since we broke up the first time, with more success than most. He takes care of me when I'm sick, says he wants to be there for me emotionally whenever I need someone (which is kind of a lot, though I don't always go to him), and we do have fun getting lunch or seeing a movie every couple of weeks. We're often the only ones who get each other's jokes. He's one of the best friends I've ever had, and being around him tends to cause more happiness than stress for me. However, it's not working very well a lot of the time. Boundaries are not my first language, but I've been working hard in therapy for the last few years, and I've gotten much better at setting them. I still have several people's share of emotional issues, and I try not to dump them on my friends unless they say they're willing to listen to me cry and panic for a while. Very few people ever are, and I'm okay with that. Mostly. However, every few weeks, I'll ask him if he's willing to talk to me about an epically bad day or something, and half the time things go okay. The other times, he'll sound frustrated or say something cold (like, âWell, there's nothing I can do about that,â repeatedly), I'll freak out and accuse him of not caring (which is an asshole move on my part, and I'm still trying to sort out why I say that), and it'll all end in hang-ups from me, passive-aggressive Facebook stuff from him, and everyone feeling like crap for days. Because of this stuff, and incidents like that, I've got a lot of anxiety about interacting with him. I don't feel like I know what's okay and what's not okay in many cases. Sometimes I'll try to do something nice for him, and fret about it for days until I know he actually liked it. Sometimes I'll think he's okay with somethingâlike talking me through one of my many freak-outs, or helping me with something around my apartment, or somethingâand he'll get upset with me for reasons I don't understand at all and that he won't explain. Once we start talking again in a month or two, I think I need to back way off from telling him about my emotional stuff, and probably try to put some healthier distance between us. Beyond that, I really need a clearer set of boundaries from him if we're going to be friends. When I've asked him about his boundaries in the past (admittedly not much recently), he's always said he's fine with everything, or said something very minor. I'm honestly willing to give him an ultimatum: if he's not willing to tell me where the line is, I'm not able to be his friend. I don't think ultimatums are the best way of asking for most things, though, so...how do you encourage someone to set boundaries for you to follow?
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I will lay off calling myself names Start with "whiny little parasite." It's a hard habit to break. In my experience, it isn't enough to try to stop calling yourself names. You have to also actively work on complimenting yourself. And that process DOES feel silly. I've increased my self-esteem and self... comfort(?) tenfold over the last two years by regularly doing silly shit like: - remembering to buy toilet paper and saying to myself, "prefpara, great job! You're a terrific adult!" - doing the dishes and saying to myself, "wonderful job! Thank you for doing the dishes prefpara! Killin' it!" - setting a glass of water by the bed and telling myself, "thanks for taking care of me, prefpara. I like you a whole lot." I can't overstate how ridiculous all of this made me feel. But, over time, I got in the habit of patting myself on the back and feeling good about myself as a consequence. All that positivity has largely replaced my previous negative and self-hating inner monologue. Awesome job, prefpara! Thanks for being so nice to me all the time! No problem, prefpara. You're my favorite. Ridiculous, yes. But effective. Try it. I give you permission to be silly. Think of it as playful.
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If you weren't anonymous, I would memail this to you. I'm sorry that it's not a direct answer to your question. I couldn't help but notice the way you describe yourself in your question. You use extremely negative, loaded language: "psycho," "looney tunes." You characterize yourself as a horrible burden and you rush to "understand" people who don't want to be there for you ("dumped" on). I think this is not a separate issue from what you describe. It's hard to set healthy boundaries and stand up for yourself when you have such a negative self-image. This also doesn't really sound to me like, on his end, it's about you violating clear boundaries. It sounds more like he treats you as kindly or as unkindly as he wants to, resulting in a random array of reactions to largely consistent behavior on your end. You want him to tell you what you're doing wrong. Nothing. He is just choosing not to respect you when that's easiest for him. That should prompt you to set your own boundary which, as most commenters have suggested. To protect yourself from his unkindness.
prefpara
Some people feel far too intensely about one another (love or hate) to be good friends. It sounds like you feel this way about your guy friend, and until you can cool those feelings down, where you feel little to no anxiety about basic interactions and aren't constantly using him as your emotional outlet, I don't think that friendship is going to work out between the two of you.
xingcat
You can start by setting that boundary for yourself and not talk to him in a month or two. Your relationship does not sound healthy at all and much more time needs to pass before a healthy one is possible.
murrey
Stop asking him for help. Don't ask him to move things, process things with you, or otherwise give you stuff/assistance. I used to get pissed when my ex would ask me for advice because it felt like he wanted to treat me like we were dating but take zero responsibility for anything and have zero commitment. It would piss me off. Not every time, but sometimes, because I'd start feeling used after a certain unpredictable threshold. So yeah, stop asking him to help you with shit. It's not appropriate. Stop going to him for emotional support. Not appropriate. Go to movies, do things that are fun for BOTH of you.
the young rope-rider
Yes, you set boundaries for your own comfort. You don't ask others to set boundaries, because you don't know what's truly going on in their head. You can't solve your discomfort by telling him he needs to use boundaries better. The responsibility for protecting yourself is on you. (Is the phrase you're looking for "I feel uncomfortable calling you because it sometimes seems like you say yes to helping me, when really you meant no. Am I reading the situation right? Because I wish you'd just say no when you mean no.") It sounds like you just learned how to use a certain tool, and you now see ways he could be using it, too. But you can't expect others to deal with a situation using exactly the tool you would use. You might remember that you're still gaining new tools yourself, and anyway, it's their own "house" to maintain how they see fit. In addressing any discomfort you feel, it would be better to speak from your subjective experience ("I feel a bit uncomfortable because...") rather than speaking from an omniscient perspective ("you fail at setting boundaries, try harder"). You'll run into this question again in your life. As you keep doing your emotional work, you'll gradually become better than many people at naming your emotions, setting boundaries, and so forth. The best thing to do is to make friends who have good emotional and psychological skills. It's across a boundary or more precisely, "all up in other people's business," as well as rude, to be auditing their use of boundaries, etc. If they want to gain new skills, they will ask your advice or start therapy themselves.
salvia
I don't think ultimatums are the best way of asking for most things, though, so... Ultimatums are not the best way of asking for most things. But when you've tried to work a problem out with someone in all normal ways, and you would rather not interact with the person anymore than continue to put up with the behavior, that's a perfectly fine time for an ultimatum. I think http://ask.metafilter.com/187082/How-do-I-encourage-my-ex-to-set-some-boundaries-with-me#2693612 that I wish I could favorite it more than once. As to this: Hell, even he's said I'm doing nothing wrong, but he denies that he's disrespecting me. One thing I've noticed in my long and varied experience with people who treat others badly: if the person isn't treating others badly on purpose, or is unaware of it, they will be surprised, will feel bad, and be eager to make amends when it's pointed out to them. To me, when someone *denies* it, that's a sign that they are doing it deliberately and don't want to change, that they're getting something out of it. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy gets something out of being suddenly, inexplicably upset at someone and having them chase their tail trying to make him happy. After all, if he didn't enjoy that, why would he be uncooperative when you try to find out how to avoid making him upset? I don't know, man. This situation sounds a little toxic for you. Whatever his good points are as a friend, I think you can find a friend with all the same good points who doesn't toy with you emotionally and play weird control games. I kind of want him to say he's okay with my hanging up If you get into this thing where you're desperate for emotional validation from someone who kind of gets off on withholding emotional validation, you're only going to become a more and more desperate person.
Ashley801
had a violent alcoholic dad homeschool me, ....And you're asking your ex to set your boundaries for you. Do you see a pattern? Setting boundaries is a thing you do for yourself. You can't ask someone else to set them for you, although it's perfectly reasonable to ask them to be honest when they feel you've violated theirs. But as you've seen, people are not always consistent (or rational) in their boundary-setting or -keeping, which leads us back to you being the only person who can set and keep your own boundaries. Sometimes it takes a long time to become true friends with an ex. Sometimes it never happens. Acting as if you're just ordinary friends with no romantic or sexual history when you're just not there yet emotionally only makes the get-to-friends point take longer and be more painful. This is why lots of people, including me, are going to tell you to cut off all contact for some fairly lengthy period of time (at least six months). You both need to reset your expectations - especially the ones you're not really conscious of having - and redirect your emotional energy elsewhere.
rtha
http://ask.metafilter.com/187082/How-do-I-encourage-my-ex-to-set-some-boundaries-with-me: Beyond that, I really need a clearer set of boundaries from him if we're going to be friends. You are doing this totally wrong. You need to set boundaries, and you need to set them with yourself. For a start, stop looking to someone who has continually failed to give you the support you seek for support. That's a good boundary to make and to enforce with yourself right there. And for the record, he has expressed his boundaries, repeatedly - you appear to either not be hearing them or ignoring them. He has straight up said "I can't do anything about that" and said it often. How much clearer do you require him to be? "I can't do anything about most of your problems, so stop telling me about things I can't fix because that's not my job anymore and I don't want to do it." Does the extended remix version play more clearly for you? It doesn't mean you can't be friends but honestly you seem way too emotionally entangled to make that work right now. Take a long-assed break and don't make contact again until you have a life that is functional without him. It is not appropriate to rely on him for emotional support, not least of all because you apparently can't. That's OK. Different friends fill different roles in our lives; some are good for some things, others for other things.
DarlingBri
You set the boundaries for yourself, not him. If he's not the supportive person you need him to be, then he needs to not be part of your present life anymore and remain part of your past. And, stop calling yourself looney tunes or psycho or whatever, that's never helpful.
inturnaround
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