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  • Starting in a month, my girlfriend and I will be living for the summer in a 10x16, two room Kelty tent we bought on craigslist. We will be living/working on a farm outside of Olympia, WA. We'd love any advice/experience you might have on long-term tent living. We're super excited about it but we are aware it will suck sometimes... what sucked about it and how can we prepare for the suck? Lots more details inside on building a makeshift kitchen, hopefully cozy bedroom, etc. (We will be able to plug into the farm electricity and will have access to a full bathroom.) Bedroom: Our thought is the make the back room the bedroom. For the bed we are planning on buying a futon pad (or two stitched together?) and putting it on top of some wood pallets. I am planning on bringing a small bookshelf. What should we do for lighting? How do we organize our clothes? We'll have a fan. Rugs? Kitchen: The tent has a roll out awning thing, where we plan on doing most of our cooking. For a stove we were thinking something like http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=coleman+two+burner+stove&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=303812927985527965&sa=X&ei=lhi6TfCnOMLr0QGr_ZF-&ved=0CDQQ8gIwAA# Coleman stove. Any experience/suggestions with camping stoves would be much appreciated. For kitchen stuff, our list so far: - a medium pot, cast iron skillet, and a kettle. - silverware and such etc. - mini-fridge/cooler - mason jars for rice and such. Plastic buckets, other animal proof containers for food. - small shelf for the mason jars, spices and oils - cob chairs and table What would you absolutely bring with you for a limited kitchen space? What spices and staples? What's your best cleaning advice for a tent? Front room: not really sure what to do with this space. It'd be nice to make it welcoming and comfortable in some way, but also as a mud room of sorts so that the back room remains somewhat clean. Also enough space to bring kitchen stuff inside at night (is that necessary?) Ideas? Rain proofing: the tent is not super rain proof. We have one tarp already for the bottom, and are hoping to get another large tarp to drape OVER the whole tent through a complicated pole/tree branch combination. We also plan on setting up the tent this weekend or the next and using some sort of seam sealer to help rain proof it... any suggestions? What kept you sane living in a tent for a long time? What made you enjoy it? Should we get a hammock? Have you ever worked and lived with your partner all day every day? We are open to all suggestions!

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    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1934620610/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/, or see if you can find back issues form your local zine store. It's worth the cash, speaks directly to a lot of your questions and will give you answers for the things you didn't even know to ask questions about. Get a lot of plastic tubs for storing things in to keep out bugs and moisture. You can build these into your storage and bedding situation. Get some chairs so that you can sit off the ground. Take off shoes before you go inside. Hang out bedding during sunny days. Make sure you understand how a groundcloth works and get a tapr set up overhead as soon as possible. If your nice situation gets rained out, it will be hard to set it up right again, futons are really really not easy to dry. I haven't done this myself for too long, but I've lived out of cars for long periods of time and the trick seems to be to compartmentalize, keep things fairly clean, have things to do [hobbies, reading, games, etc] and get on more of a solar schedule. Have fun.

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Hi, fellow Northwester here. You'll be in Olympia in May. It will rain. A lot. Your stuff is going to get wet at some point, so I would caution against the futon pad. Once it gets wet it will be very difficult to dry out well, and you don't want a mold/mildew problem in your tent. Go with a good air mattress or a quality camp pad made for this. Forget about your wood pallets. You run the risk of puncturing or tearing your tent fabric, and as you'll be shoeless inside your tent, you really don't want a stubbed toe, splinters, or worse a rusty nail. You don't need to keep your bedding elevated off the tent floor anyway, because... Trench around your tent, a good foot out from the tent and all around, with runoff to the downhill corner. Use tarps and groundcloths, too. A small section of astroturf staked down outside the tent door will make such a difference in how clean your tent stays inside. Have a broom with fine/gentle bristles for sweeping up. Coarse bristles are to be avoided as they can perforate tent walls. If your tent has awnings, use them. If not, consider adding one or more, or get one of those portable gazebo things. Having a "porch" to retreat to, outside of the tent, does wonders for your sanity. Batteries for emergencies, lanterns for most of your lighting. If you have the space outside your tent, something like http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000CFOUEU/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/ or http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000RMSF1C/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/ helps a lot. The more stuff you can keep outside of your tent, the roomier and less claustrophobic it will feel inside. If you'll be storing your food, you'll need some kind of reasonably secure locker (the above can be made to work, a couple additional ratcheting straps around the door is a good idea) to keep the food in, and for heaven's sake store the food and your foody-smelling kitchen kit OUTSIDE the tent, preferably well away from it. Your tent is not a bear or cougar deterrent, and in SW WA we have plenty of both. Most of what people commonly think is animal- (especially bear-)proof is not. I have a http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B001QGW3A2/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/ that I take on backpacking trips. If you don't have a sturdy food locker, you could wind up in trouble. Common backpacking method is to throw a line over a sturdy tree limb at least 15 feet off the ground, and hoist your food containers up most of the way (but not snug to the limb, or tree-dwellers have easy access to it.) Again, well away from your tent. Your Coleman stove looks good. Skip the small canister, get a 20lb or larger refillable tank, and a http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0009PURNG/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/. Run all your stuff off this. Cheaper (you're talking two months straight usage here) and so much more convenient. What to use on your propane tree? Your stove, lanterns, infra-red heaters (so nice). Don't know what your budget is, but there are even propane-powered generators available. (Couple thou.) Have a few sets of tough place settings. Enameled steel plates & cups are a tried and true favorite, tough plastic like Texas Ware is also a good choice. Plenty of flatware and cutlery. Have some way to wash and dry your dishes, and dispose of gray water. (Hint, nowhere near your camp, as your wash water will have food in it, which will attract animals.) Get your kitchen kit together and practice cooking with it before you start camping, if possible. Cooking on a propane camp stove is an entirely different skill set than cooking on a home kitchen range. One-skillet meals are your friend. Lots of hashes and casseroley kinds of things. Stews with dumplings. Potatoes are a base for almost anything. Nothing beats properly seasoned and cared-for cast iron. But if you're not used to cooking with it and caring for it, you're probably better off with quality stainless steel. Teflon is probably not a good idea. I don't know what your facilities will be like, but when I'm camping, washing up means rubbing out the pots with sand from the river. Size your cookware to your stove. Huge 18" skillets are wonderful, but not when half of it is hanging off the stove, or it makes your second burner useless. Smaller, deeper pots are better. If necessary, you can make do with just a good stock pot. You can fry in it, make soups, stews, you can make pan bread in it, you can heat your wash water. If you have the budget/space, consider a griddle sized to sit atop your Coleman stove. Get an enameled steel percolator. Even if you don't drink coffee, you'll want a way to heat some water other than your cook pot. If you can use a camp fire, your cooking possibilities just more than doubled. Dutch oven! Roasting sticks, heck there are all sorts of sandwich makers, grill baskets, etc for cooking over an open fire. Rope and tent stakes. You really can never have enough. Outside table for eating, games, repairing things, etc. Always be aware of carbon monoxide and of course fire danger with fuel-burning equipment, but that infra-red heater can be a good way to warm up and dry out a damp tent. Always carefully attended, of course. Set up a sturdy (1/2" or better) rope between a couple trees as a clothes line, and air out your sleeping bags and blankets as frequently as possible. Beat them like you would a carpet, not only to shake out pine needles and bugs, but also to shake up the insulating fibers in your sleeping bag and help restore some of its loft, which will keep you warmer and more comfortable. Take your shoes off before entering the tent, but bang them together to knock the dirt off and bring them in with you at night. There is nothing, nothing worse than slug trails (welcome to Washington!) all over your shoes. Or worse, in them.

xedrik

Don't pitch your tent next to the pony tailed dude who plays the guitar. For a couple of reasons.

tarvuz

Seconding Jessamyn on the groundcloth, and since you'll be there for a while, bother to trench your tent and be ready to use a tarp for extra protection/living space during rainy days.

fatbird

Oh, also, at least once a week move all your stuff to the side and sweep under it. Centipedes and their brethren like to hide under things that don't move around a lot.

Miko

Here to repeat the advice to get a big-ass tarp and create an entire zone around your tent with it. This is one essential step to making a campsite livable long-term. Definitely don't drape it over your tent - it's not as waterproof, plus, you'll practically suffocate. http://www.mdavis.us/Camping/Camping%20Pictures/Campsite%20Tarps.jpg - create a big zone and pitch your tent within that zone. There are a ton of great suggestions here, but another thing I'd recommend is just finding a state park near you that has weekend camping, and just taking a stroll through the campground. You'll get inspired by all the pro tips you can see around campsites. People who camp a lot have really perfected some long-term outdoor living systems. My best tip from the six summers I spent in a canvas-roofed cabin is to have what's called a "foot towel." This is just a ratty towel you keep near your bed. Before you get in bed each night, dust your feet off with it. Near your cooking area, have a bucket of sand and a 5-gallon tar-type bucket filled with water. Just in case of fire. Also, if you can make a firepit, cooking on that is a nice alternative to cooking on the Coleman stove. I cooked on one for six weeks during a camping trip out west, and it was serviceable, but it's nice to get a break from it.

Miko

Nothing, nothing, nothing may rest on the floor for more than a day. Rising damp will mildew anything left there. Since your tent is fairly small, this problem will persist - it won't take much for moisture to seep to the soil in the center of your tent. The ground will be dry to the touch, but still give off humidity. Organize. Have structures - shelves, stacked crates, whatever - with designated uses (dirty clothes, my clean clothes, your clean clothes, toiletries, food prep stuff), so you can find things. The first time you lay a shirt down in the wrong place, something will go missing for hours or days. Really. And "turning the tent inside out" looking for an item will increase the mess, while possibly not even finding the item. Tents are devious that way. I camp once a year for two weeks at Pennsic; the more I pre-organize my layout and placement of stuff, the better it goes. Everything that touches the ground - even the bed post feet - gets mildewy.

IAmBroom

Set up a big-ass tarp over the tent for rain. Do not drape it over the tent, you need to hang and stake it over the tent in a manner so that it slopes downward and at good angle. The first times it rains go out and check on it and make sure that rain is not pooling up on it somewhere. Also, treat your tent with at least two cans of silicon waterproofing spray. hist the floor pan seams and lower walls especially hard.

LarryC

LobsterMitten

Putting a tarp over the tent sounds kind of half-assed to me, but I guess it could work if it's not too windy. No, it is essential, no commercial tent outside of an expedition model will actually stay dry for very long with just the fly, no matter how you seam-seal.

LarryC

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