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  • Water engineering question: help me save lots of winter rainwater and use it in the summer! I live in Seattle, where the winters are very wet and the summers are very dry. I have a large yard and grow a lot of vegetables, many of which (like tomatoes) need lots of water to produce fruit. So my water bills in July / August are upwards of $150 per month. The engineer in me thinks, 'what a waste of resources; I should collect the water in the winter and reuse it in the summer!' The cheapskate in me heartily agrees. So, I've got my downspout emptying into two rain barrels and one large rubber tub (obtained for free), connected in serial. This gives me 250 gallons of water capacity. A pump sucks the water out of the tub and into an underground watering system where it waters my whole yard (largely though soaker hoses). So far, so good. However, 250 gallons isn't nearly enough. This summer, I'll probably go through my whole supply in two to three weeks. I'd like to store a minimum of 1,000 gallons. So I've been brainstorming ideas for keeping more water around. Here are some plausible ideas: 1. Buy a bigger tub. Lots of places sell industrial water tanks. But they're expensive, even on eBay / craiglist (used 325-gallon tubs run around $60 -> $120). New, they're about 50 cents / gallon. 2. Build a cistern. Basically, this would be a small underground swimming pool, with a concrete floor and walls, and some kind of lid. Rainwater would flow into the cistern and my pump would pull it out. Even a modest size (10' x 10' x 3') cistern would store 2,200 gallons. However, my construction skills are limited: I can dig and pour a concrete floor, but I'm not sure how to pour walls, or build a sealing lid. 3. Dig a series of holes and line them with pool liner. Use the dirt walls as structural support and the liner to make it impermeable. Basically the same as #2, but simpler to build. Still not sure how to fashion a sealing lid, though. 4. Dig a well, and use a well pump. This is less implausible than it sounds because I happen to live at a geographic low point (near MLK and Union, if you know Seattle). When I dug post holes this spring, we hit the water table less than three feet down. But I don't know how deep it will be in the summer, and I don't know how environmentally dangerous that is. 5. Forget about it, because the county is already solving this problem for me, far better than I ever could, by tapping watersheds and rivers. Any suggestions? I don't mind doing lots of semi-skilled labor, but I'd like to keep the cost down. I don't care if the water is potable or not; it just has to not kill plants.

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    If you hit the local water table at a depth of 3 feet, and can legally drill an irrigation well (you usually need to pull permits with local authorities and register it for monitoring purposes, particularly if it is over a certian flow rate or cassion size), that's your best bet. A water table that high pretty much precludes effective use of a normal underground cistern, since when you empty a cistern sitting in a site with a water table like that, it is going to badly want to float up out of the ground. If you didn't have that issue, you'd probably talk to septic tank manufacturers, and simply have one of their cistern type tanks set, which is generally just a variant of a septic tank, set up with blocked drainage outlets, and equipped with a pump access hole in its lid. Most places that sell pre-cast septic tanks sell cisterns, too. The dig the hole, deliver the tank on a truck with a crane, and plop it in, and cover the hole. Takes maybe 3 or 4 hours, at a cost of a couple thousand dollars, if no major excavation problems are encountered.

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Looking at this table for http://www.seattle.gov/util/Services/Water/Rates/THIRDTIER_200312020910308.asp and this table for http://www.seattle.gov/util/Services/Drainage_&_Sewer/Rates/COS_003570.asp in Seattle, you are paying $10 to $15 dollars per ccf (748 gallons). You are using at least 10 to 15 times that amount if your $150 bill is correct. That is roughly 10,000 gallons per month. Guess that half of that is for household use. I don't think your 1000 gallon storage is going to put much of a dent into your irrigation needs unless you get a lot of rain in the summer to replenish it, in which case you probably don't need to irrigate. Your 1000 gallon tank holds at best about $20 of water. Spread over three months you are saving only $6.67 per month.

JackFlash

I have a feeling that 250 gallons would last less than a week... it's very hard to determine how much water goes into the ground with soaker hoses; with a drip system you know emitter size (gph) and run time. If you really want to get serious with water conservation, I highly recommend switching to drip. http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/water/az1052/harvest.html are the formulae you need to determine how much water your roof can collect (you'll have to plug in Seattle numbers), and how much water your landscape uses. For quick reference: 1000 square feet of roof will collect about 650 gallons of water per inch of rain, depending on roof material. So for Seattle, that would be something like 20,000 gallons annually.

oneirodynia

Check how this is done in Bermuda, where there are no natural water sources and every house roof collects water into basement cisterns. When I lived there in the 50s part of the system was to keep goldfish in there to keep the water clean.

beagle

If you are really only using 250 or 300 gallons a month for irrigation, yet running up 10,000 gallons a month in your home, then maybe you should be concentrating on saving water in your home instead. You know the usual. Showers instead of baths, a gallon milk jug in your toilet tank, full loads only in the dishwasher, replacing your clothes washer with a front-loader, etc.

JackFlash

http://www.ecosac.com.au/home/Home.html looks like the perfect solution - it's what I'm planning on doing for my place if the price doesn't scare me off.

jpeacock

Find a used above ground swimming pool on Craigslist maybe. During the warmer months be sure to cover it tightly with a tarp to prevent it from becoming a mosquito breeding pool. That goes for rain barrels too. If you wanted to go the el cheapo route, an old waterbed can usually be had for nothing. Holes can easily be patched with innertube repair kits. Get rid of the frame and turn the bladder into a reservoir. You should build some sort of enclosure for it so it doesn't take up a king-sized space in your backyard.

JJ86

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I think wells are illegal within the city limits of Seattle--newly dug wells in the county I live in are required to be at least 50' from any structure, pretty much impossible within Seattle if King County laws are similar. I meant to mention that an open pool will need to be protected from being an attractive nuisance as mentioned above. http://www.seattle.gov/util/Services/Yard/Natural_Lawn_&_Garden_Care/Rain_Water_Harvesting/index.asp has some info. And back a few years ago, the city had a pilot program to encourage people to harvest rainwater. You might call the city and see if they have any kickbacks or other incentives.

maxwelton

You have water 3 feet down, and still need to water your plants? What's your soil like?

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