American moving to the GTA
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American moving to the greater Toronto area... I've landed what is quite possibly my dream job in Hamilton, Ontario at McMaster University and am moving up there in August. So this is not the typical "American-looking-to-emigrate" sort of ask mefi, because unless something terrible happens the move absolutely will happen, and my employer is going to give me assistance with the immigration stuff. However, I've got loads of questions apart from that. Let's get started, shall we? 1) I'm married. My spouse is Canadian, so there shouldn't be any (legal) problems on that end. However, the SO doesn't drive, and I'm trying to work out the logistics of where would be the best place to move so that my commute to Hamilton won't be so long, but the SO will have as much access to transit and thus employment/fun stuff as possible. Just looking at a map suggests something like Oakville, but if you've got better or different suggestions, I'd like to hear them. If I too can get away with using transit as opposed to driving, big bonus! 2) I've got a car. It's pretty late-model, never failed any sort of emissions testing. Is it possible to import it into Canada? Would I have to pay some enormous importing fee? If so, should I just sell it before I go? 3) Doctor stuff. My health is generally excellent so if there's some delay in getting me on OHIP no real harm, but the SO has prescriptions that absolutely must be filled or Very Very Bad Things happen. SO's OHIP has long since lapsed having lived outside Canada for many many years. Is there anything I can do to make sure the SO gets doctors and the necessary medication in a timely fashion? I know it can take some time to see specialists in Canada; I'm not sure if I can, say, persuade the doctors here to fill out a bunch of prescriptions in advance and have them filled at Shopper's. Thanks a lot for reading this far! I'm completely stoked about this move and your advice will help out a lot.
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Dundas, just on the other side of Cootes Paradise from McMaster is a nice part too, within walking distance of the campus but with lots of trees and it's own downtown. Burlington, the city between Oakville and Hamilton has pretty good transit connections for both Hamilton and the GTA. Most transit is geared towards rush hour commuters, in case that is a factor. If your SO used to live in Oakville she may be shocked at the amount of growth; it is now bigger than Burlington I believe. What kind of job is your SO hoping for? Hamilton would have more diverse job opportunities than Burl. or Oak. but there are jobs there too. Housing costs in Hamilton are significantly lower for both renting and buying, if that is a factor. Since Free trade you can bring your car into Canada but it has to meet Canadian Safety Standards (which are different from the US). More info here: http://www.settlement.org/sys/link_redirect.asp?doc_id=1003091. Gov't run settlement has a lot of information to help New Canadians that you may find useful. OHIP kicks in after three months of residency, the benefits package you get from McMaster that covers prescription drugs is different than OHIP. If you have a vaild prescription you shouldn't have trouble filling it. You can purchase health insurance to cover medical costs in the three month waiting period. Or you can pay out of pocket which isn't too expensive. Hamilton is a vibrant community, only smelly by the factories - far way from the University. Congrats on the job!
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Ok, here's a linkdump of a few pages I found useful. -http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/newcomer/guide/index.html -http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/co/reho/ (landlord cannot prevent you having pets!) -http://www.health.gov.on.ca/english/public/program/ohip/ohip_mn.html -http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/index_e.html -http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/handbook/contents.htm (bring some proof of how long you have been a licensed driver in the US - if it's more than some number of years, you can just trade in your US license for a full Ontario license, without having to go through the "graduated" steps) Also, learn to love http://home.cogeco.ca/~husky66/Milk/. One of the many mysteries of the north.
LobsterMitten
I used to work retail in Toronto with a fellow who lived in Oakville and commuted back and forth via GO every day. However, he was a bit of an odd duck so I don't know how ridiculous this is. I would absolutely prefer to live in Hamilton over Oakville. No question. You may want to read the wikipedia entries on Hamilton and Greater Toronto Area. Hamilton is part of the GTA only from the perspective of a bureaucrat. No resident of either place would consider the other part of the GTA, imo.
dobbs
... and congratulations and Welcome! (I told you Hamiltonians are friendly, even ex-Hamiltonians)
Artful Codger
Live in Hamilton. Rental or home purchase in Hamilton is 50% or less of the equivalent GTA property. Lots of nice options close to McMaster - Westdale, Dundas, Ancaster, etc etc. If you live anywhere west of downtown, you shouldn't ever be bothered by the steel smell, which isn't so bad these days anyway I lived in Hamilton from '81 to '88; I now live in Toronto but get to Hamilton alot. Then and now, I still find Hamilton a friendlier city. I met my future wife there :). The business core of Hamilton has run down a bit, and the area is hurting in general because of layoffs and closures in the heavy industries (steel, steel products, fabrication, appliances), but if you're employed... you're set. There have been alot of well-executed renewal and revitalization projects in the last 10 years, including a nice waterfront park.
Artful Codger
The university should help you with health plan - they will almost certainly have a temporary plan that you can buy to stand in during the OHIP waiting period. Talk to the international students/scholars office. If you have critical meds, get this taken care of up front, maybe in a visit before you move. The university's help may be hugely valuable when you're coming through immigration. Have a phone and the phone number of someone in the principal's office with you when coming through -- if the immgration officer doesn't know what they're doing they can fuck up and often the university can pull strings to get you/your spouse back into the proper category. You will need to make a list of all the stuff you're bringing in. Itemized. On ours we had things like "20 boxes books. 3 boxes pots and pans." so it doesn't have to literally be item-by-item, but be as specific as you can while you're packing up. We had a friend stand by with a clipboard while we loaded the truck and write down the contents of every box as it went by. Ontario has a list of cars and whether they meet import requirements (daytime runing lights, emissions, etc -- most within the last 5 years are fine). You'll need to get a separate safety inspection which can end up costly - we had to replace our windshield for a couple hundred dollars because it had some pitting, for example. To fully import the car to Canada, you may need to show up at the border with the title to the car 24-48 hours in advance of when you want to bring it across formally, so customs can run a search on the title. BE AWARE OF THIS! Car insurance in Ontario is insanely, insanely expensive. OMG. It's unreal. Call around and get a lot of quotes. Also, formally, to drive in Canada with US insurance (during the first week or whatever while you're getting everything switched over) you're required to get a special paper from your US insurance company. Your US credit ranking won't transfer (or didn't IME). So you may need to get a "secured" credit card from your bank to start establishing Canadian credit. This may not be an issue because of your spouse, but look into it. If you experience is like mine, you will need a Social Insurance Number (SIN number), which is like a social security number, to open a bank account. The sooner you can get a SIN number from the university the better. Bureaucratic holdups in Canadian university administration can be huge, so be prepared to work from your US bank account for a while, paying fees to have money transferred -- also be prepared in case your first paycheck is delayed. On the bright side: all the desk personnel I dealt with in the motor vehicle bureau, the health services registry, etc were super-nice and helpful, in stark contrast to the way they are in the US. So, it will be a fair amount of running around registering things your first few weeks, but it should be nice and civil.
LobsterMitten
I know some people who live in Burlington and take the bus to Hamilton - so it's definitely possible. It also probably takes over an hour each way. Public transit in Burlington/Oakville isn't great compared with Toronto, but it is workable. Getting a car/license for the SO is probably your best bet. As for housing, Burlington and Oakville are very expensive (300k for a townhouse). Hamilton is a fair bit cheaper. Unless you're totally against it, living in Hamilton is probably the way to go. The area by the University is pretty nice. I've never noticed any smell in Hamilton's downtown, or by the University. If you live by the steel plants, all bets are off - but chances are you won't be living there. The transit system is probably better too. If your SO has a job in Toronto then Oakville may be the best bet - as it is easiest in terms of taking the Go Train. I believe access to Burlington/Hamilton is a little more limited on the weekends (but you could check the http://www.gotransit.com website for a better idea.) Congrats on landing the dream job.
backwards guitar
I have imported a car from the US to Canada. I had to pay 7% sales tax on its blue book value. How long had you owned the car? Were you moving (back?) to Canada after a long stay in the US? The relevant section is http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/english/tax/guides/rst/202.html: "Eligible individuals may bring their household goods and equipment into Ontario exempt from RST" Also, "Individuals or businesses entitled to the settlerâs effects exemption on motor vehicles must fill out an exemption declaration (MV-2 form) when licensing a vehicle at an Ontario Ministry of Transportation Driver and Vehicle Licence Issuing Office. Proof that the vehicle was previously licensed in another province, territory, or country, is required."
ROU_Xenophobe
Jamesonandwater, I quote from the VERY web page you linked to: Your vehicle will also be subject to provincial or territorial sales tax and safety requirements, so you should check with the vehicle department of the province or territory to which you are moving. Please be careful of taking advice from people who don't know... oh never mind. Suffice it to say, import/duty tax and sales tax on value are two different things. I have imported a car from the US to Canada. I had to pay 7% sales tax on its blue book value.
modernnomad
Ah, I brought my car over after I moved, and they let it in without charging me, but told me I'd have to do upgrades and "pay a tax" once I was landed. I suppose the tax is that registration fee that jamesonandwater is talking about. I didn't know I could bring it in when I first moved here, so I left it in the US. It looks like from her link if it needs upgrades (daytime running lights) you'll have to pay that registration fee, though, even if you bring it in under personal effects, but that fee is much less than the GST on it would be.
Melinika
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