One Good Job Deserves Another
-
How can my housemate turn down a job offer he's verbally accepted?So my housemate (not me...I wish) was offered a job this fall at Bank of America after doing an internship in cash equities sales there last summer. He verbally accepted it but hasn't submitted the signed contract yet. While he liked what he was doing he wasn't completely smitten, so this winter he interviewed for other jobs at various firms and today landed a job as a consultant at Bain. How can he gracefully get out of the BoA job without pissing too many people off or facing potential sanctions? The contract he was to accept and submit technically expired in September, but he verbally accepted it and has been hemming and hawing every time they ask him to send it in. It doesn't specify anything about not accepting the offer. He's (not completely seriously) thinking about saying that his mother/father/sister is sick so he needs to stay home and can't accept the job. He's also thinking about telling Bank of America that he has another offer to see if they'll escalate their original offer (not that more pay would make choose to stay). What are the ethical and practical considerations in all of this? Could Bank of America somehow contact Bain and screw him over so he can't have either job? Sue him for breach of not-yet-fully-accepted contract? I would think they'd be pretty annoyed to have to find someone to replace him this late in the recruiting cycle. I know that in the grand scheme of problems having to choose between two good jobs isn't exactly dire, but any input, including comparisons of the relative merits of Bain and Bank of America, would be appreciated.
-
Answer:
I think you should save this thread and come back to it when both you are your friend are about ten years older. You can have a really good laugh over a few beers about how you gave a shit about BofA's feelings once you've been through the corporate ringer a few times. Tell your friend to sack up and let BofA find another candidate. At the level you are talkikng about, turnover and job shuffling are a given. There are zero ethical considerations here.
reflexed at Ask.Metafilter.Com Visit the source
Other answers
I have this hilarious image in my head of a BofA hiring manager reading an "I've accepted a job elsewhere" letter, and a single tear running down his cheek... That being said, there's a general business rule that definitely applies here: If it's not on paper, it never happened. That being said, the "right" thing to do is to contact BofA and tell them, "I have accepted another job offer." That's all that needs to be done.
CrayDrygu
I agree with Kwantsar if you sub equity for fixed income. I'm always impressed with the fixed income staff.
mullacc
Its dead - but notice I said Junior Equity Sales. Not Equity Sales. A junior equity salespersons job is to set up meetings and send out reports. Also I think you overstate the quality of most equity sales guys - by a huge margin actually. Of course there are a few salesmen who are fantastic resources. I will tell you something I absolutely am sure of - a lot of very good buy-side shops would hire an ex-MC before they would hire a ex-Sales guy for an investment role.
JPD
JPD-- This thread is dead now, and I've never worked in equity sales, but I think you're way off-base. The best equity salesmen understand everything that their bank's research department has produced, and they can explain the equity story (whether it's valuation, catalyst, growth, etc.) to the buyside and drive revenue for the bank. You may think the job sucks, but the best equity salesmen in the world aren't "sales guys," they are analysts in salesmen's clothing. I'd also bet that the 90th percentile of equity sales owns twice as much as the 90th percentile of MCs. He's not turning BofA down for McKinsey, after all. In other words, your point is valid, but it's not as strong as you are making it out to be.
Kwantsar
Believe me if your friend thinks he may at some point want to do anything other then equity sales taking Bain job even at the expense of pissing off some salesguy is worthwhile. If I saw a guy's resume that said equity sales internship, Bain as first post-MBA job I wouldn't really care if the equity sales guys bad mouthed him. To be honest though junior equity salesman is on my list of worst job in the world so I'm biased.
JPD
I think you should save this thread and come back to it when both you are your friend are about ten years older. Not to minimize your housemate's situation, reflexed, but this reminded me of my first job. My father forced me to get a job at McDonalds a month before I was leaving to go to college. I ruminated the entire time about telling them I would be leaving so soon after starting. When I finally had to go I was shocked at how non-plused the manager was when I told him.
Taken Outtacontext
If "cash equity sales" is anything like "equity sales," your housemate is in the process of turning down 55-hour weeks for 85-hour weeks. I'm guessing that your roommate is an MBA student, and I don't think that many posters here understand that (while of course BofA won't shed a tear) what housemate is doing might be a big deal. It is not common practice to intern, take the full-time offer, and then renege. Career Services at his school (though powerless) will be a pain in the ass, dude will never be able to work for BofA again, and if he decides to go back into research, or sales, or trading, there's a nonzero risk that whoever he interviews with at another bank will either conclude that his internship didn't work out, or call his MBA classmate (who's now a VP or MD at BofA) and check his references, at which time he'll be pegged as an untrustworthy. Wall Street is a smaller place than it seems, and the world of equity sales isn't nearly as big as the world of investment bankers. All I'm saying is that your buddy's gotta do what he's gotta do, quickly and honestly. Though I don't doubt that he's doing the right thing, I wouldn't pretend that such a maneuver is guaranteed to have no consequences.
Kwantsar
Oh, man. Judging from what I've seen of Bain's corporate library, if your roomie isn't willing to Step Up, Bain will eat him alive. But, yeah, BoA has been of a mad hiring streak of late and they will not miss him if he calls up with a simple "Sorry, I've been offered a job elsewhere." If he can make it through the first year, he'll be much better off with some Bain-ing than some BoA-ing on his resume.
robocop is bleeding
In the bad times, the banks will lay you off. In the good times, you lay the banks off.
mullacc
Related Q & A:
- How can i transfer the address book from one yahoo account to another?Best solution by Yahoo! Answers
- How can I move my yahoo bookmarks from one yahoo account to another yahoo account?Best solution by Yahoo! Answers
- How to merge one yahoo group with another yahoo group?Best solution by Yahoo! Answers
- Can you have a phone from one company and have another company's plan?Best solution by ChaCha
- How to connect one sky box to another sky box?Best solution by Yahoo! Answers
Just Added Q & A:
- How many active mobile subscribers are there in China?Best solution by Quora
- How to find the right vacation?Best solution by bookit.com
- How To Make Your Own Primer?Best solution by thekrazycouponlady.com
- How do you get the domain & range?Best solution by ChaCha
- How do you open pop up blockers?Best solution by Yahoo! Answers
For every problem there is a solution! Proved by Solucija.
-
Got an issue and looking for advice?
-
Ask Solucija to search every corner of the Web for help.
-
Get workable solutions and helpful tips in a moment.
Just ask Solucija about an issue you face and immediately get a list of ready solutions, answers and tips from other Internet users. We always provide the most suitable and complete answer to your question at the top, along with a few good alternatives below.