What is fair equity for no salary Executive level position at early stage company?
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I am considering being the first U.S. employee of an overseas startup which has a shipping product and customers in their country. It is a very good market space, they have started getting attention and have good potential as they have some clear differentiators. The two founders have boot strapped the development effort and now have about 10 employees. They have no investors right now. My role would be to at a VP level, get the company incorporated in the U.S., run operations here, get sales and revenue traction, establish market presence and propel them to the next level. Iâll also possibly participate in getting a round of funding which they are going to need. They cannot pay me any salary at this time, only percentage of sales as it happens. When funding occurs, this will change but the timing on that is unclear, maybe 6 months or more. I am a senior executive with 20+ years experience and contacts in the industry that can really benefit. What type of equity would be fair in this situation?
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The equity that you ask for should be comparable to the value you provide the company. Too many times start-up founders have an idea which is good but do not have the skills to implement the idea and need people like yourselves to do it and then think that for a low equity position - you should do all the work for the chance to be in their start-up that may or may not take off especially in a new country. You need to determine how much work is going to have to happen to get the company in a position to sell product. If that is going to take awhile before you have a chance to sell the product - then the equity goes up. If I look at the role you are performing - in a large company you would be a Country Manager. Things to ask yourself. Did they do the homework to find out if the U.S. is a viable market for that product. Are their competitors, does it have the features needed.....marketing 101. If the answer is no, then the equity should go up again as you are taking greater risk. I went through a similar exercise with an Israeli company where they did not have experience in Canada. They sold the product abroad, but they didn't have proper marketing for North America (was cheezy), needed new packaging, didn't have contacts...etc. They wanted myself and partner to do ALL of the work here and take all of the risk in the "hope" you might see some sales and they were offering no equity nor upfront retainer - so answer was a big NO. Equity is an interesting thing because 100% of 0 dollars is still 0. I would definitely see a lawyer/accountant that has experience with this and have a very tight contract. You need to understand what percentage the U.S. will play on their revenues as that should drive the amount. You will also want to make sure that your percentage does not get depleted with the funding you help bring in as well for the whole company. It is your contacts --- not theirs. You need to understand the value of the current company without the U.S. So say it is $2M today. What percentage of the revenue is the U.S. going to account for in next 3-5 years. If it is going to double the size or greater of the company than you should ask for a minimum of 20-30%. If they are going to deplete your amount based on funding - I would make sure I got a finders fee part of the funding piece which percentage differs based on amount - usually in the 5-10% range. Bottom line - there are accountants and lawyers who deal with start-ups and funding all the time and I would talk to one of them and get their thoughts based on the information you can provide them on amount of work you are doing, their current value, U.S. value, and the funding piece. Get a very tight contract. It is so easy to get excited about a new start-up as have been there, but have seen the good, bad and the ugly.
Karen Fischer at Quora Visit the source
Other answers
To expand on Karen's discussion above, you need to think of the value you bring to the company, or in this case - going to bring. I suspect that like most foreign companies, the US represents a huge growth opportunity. If you are setting up the US operations it would be easy to figure out the incremental profits your efforts will bring back to the company as a whole. For the sake of this discussion and to keep it simple, as a rule of thumb, a lot of acquistions get valued at about 5 times earnings (give or take a some depending upon industry multiples etc). If you contribute $1M/year of sales, say at 50% gross margin, that might be worth $500K/year profit or about $2.5M in valuation to the company - given the other operations are not running at a loss. Using the 30% factor (your contribution relative to the company bottom line results) above you should expect $750K of compensation in terms of stock and or salary. I would expect that the stock gets vested over a 3-5 year period. I would also include a clause to protect the dilution of those shares as the company seeks additional funding. You may want to ensure you maintain a minimum 10% equity until you go public, which means they (the company) provide equivalent stocks to hold you whole while you continue to grow and add value to that company. Again - the best advice is to seek a lawyer and/or an acountant who has done this before.
Rudy Fischer
Don't try to assess value of the person or the shares. Instead, use a dynamic equity split model that will track the value of each employees contributions relative to the other employees. I've developed a model, called a Grunt Fund (http://www.SlicingPie.com), designed to solve this exact problem. It allows you to calculate exactly the right number of shares for each and every participant. You can have a free sample of my book at http://SlicingPie.com -Mike
Mike Moyer
You have not provided enough information to give any real answer. This is a key part of your story: the company (as such - not clear what their structure is, what country) has a shipping product and customers in their country. GREAT -- how much is that worth? What is the market? What is the selling price and margin? How much do you add to the story, 90% or 10%?
Lee Weinberg
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