What did Confucius say about the game of weiqi (Go)?
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Last year, I discovered a hoax on Wikipedia - The 'глÑпо мÑÑавей' story: Shostakovich, musique concrète, Wikipedia, bullshit and curation. With the help of my friends on a Shostakovich mailing list, I was able to get it corrected. Now I'd like to ask for your help getting another little piece of history documented in Wikipedia. Years ago, I read a comment in a book on board games that Confucius had advised "the idle rich" to play weiqi (the game most of the world knows by its Japanese name,Go) rather than "let their minds stagnate." I haven't been able to track down that exact quotation. Wikipedia only says this: Go originated in ancient China sometime before the 3rd century BC (exactly when is unknown), by which time it was already a popular pastime, as indicated by a reference to the game in the Analects of Confucius. The closest I've been able to find in English translations is this: Analects of Confucius - Ch.17 - 22/ Confucius said, âHe who always has a full stomach but does nothing meaningful is simply a good-for-nothing. Is there not a game of chess? Even playing chess is better than idling the time away.â Now there is a Chinese variant of chess, rarely seen outside of China. But I wonder - was Confucius talking about the Chinese version of chess, or was he talking about weiqi? The British have been rabid chess players for a long time, and perhaps earliest the translators substituted a game they knew well for a game they did not. So the questions are: 1. Is the game referred to in Analects Chapter 17 really chess? Is it weiqi? Some other game? 2. Are there other references to either chess or weiqi in the writings of Confucius? #ibmwatson? Are you up for this? Google Translate? LinkedIn Answers? Quora?
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I found the following information from the following site: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Confucius "It is difficult for a man who always has a full stomach to put his mind to some use. Are there not players of liubo and weiqi? Even playing these games is better than being idle."-- Analects (Book 17, Chapter 22) by Confucius (translated by Jean-Louis Cazaux) "The Master said, Hard is it to deal with him, who will stuff himself with food the whole day, without applying his mind to anything good! Are there not gamesters and chess[1]players? To be one of these would still be better than doing nothing at all."-- Analects (Book 17, Chapter 22) by Confucius (translated by James Legge, Projekt Gutenberg) "Gentlemen should not waste their time on trivial games -- they should play go[3]" - Confucius, The Analects. ca. 500 BCE (found on AGA site and other places)
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He knew of the game WeiChi. See Senseis Library Famous quotes åæ°: "飽é£çµæ¥ãç¡æç¨å¿ãé£ç£åãä¸æåå¼è ä¹ãçºä¹ç¶è³¢ ä¹å·²ã" "It is difficult for a man who always has a full stomach to put his mind to some use. Are there not players of liubo and weiqi? Even playing these games is better than being idle." -- Analects (Book 17, Chapter 22) by Confucius (translated by [ext] Jean-Louis Cazaux) "The Master said, Hard is it to deal with him, who will stuff himself with food the whole day, without applying his mind to anything good! Are there not gamesters and chess[1] players? To be one of these would still be better than doing nothing at all." -- Analects (Book 17, Chapter 22) by Confucius (translated by James Legge, [ext] Projekt Gutenberg) "Gentlemen should not waste their time on trivial games -- they should play go[3]" - Confucius, The Analects. ca. 500 BCE (found on AGA site and other places)
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