How much is HBO a month/pay service?

Why doesn't HBO allow non-cable subscribers to subscribe to HBO Go à la Hulu?

  • It's a really amazing service with great content (nice contrast to Netflix streaming!), and I would certainly be willing to pay $12/month for it, which is what HBO tends to cost on top of cable, and HBO wouldn't have to split anything with the cable providers. ...but I don't want to pay the ~$50+ "cover charge" for an overpriced cable subscription just to be able to get HBO. My potential theories: Time Warner owns HBO and doesn't want to cannibalize its cable business HBO/TW is hedging against uncertain OpEx (esp. w/ bandwidth & Net Neutrality) and doesn't want to go all in w/ Internet distribution in the case that its distribution costs particular spike.

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    Having spent a few years working on second-screen initiatives at Comcast, this is often the first question people would ask me upon finding out what I did for a living, so I figured I'd answer it here. The short version is this: HBO, more than any other network, benefits from the pay TV ecosystem currently in place, so it has little incentive to try to go around it. If it were to sell directly to consumers, it would have figure it was leaving more money on the table by not currently doing so than it would cost  (and risk losing) by doing so. Here's why: Unlike most networks, HBO doesn't make any money on advertising, so it's reliant on cable/satellite operators for the bulk of its revenue. Most programmers make money from two main revenue streams: 1) advertising, and 2) affiliate fees they charge to the pay TV operators to carry their channel. Because HBO doesn't run ads, the bulk of its revenues are generated through the per-subscriber-per-month fees that cable/satellite operators (herein referred to as MSOs) pay. HBO currently has around 30 million subscribers. Affiliate fees are estimated to account for around 85% of revenues (the rest are largely DVD sales). At an estimated $8/subscriber/month affiliate fee [1], that puts HBO's annual take from MSOs at almost $2.9 billion. Also, unlike most other networks, HBO produces its TV shows itself. Most of the content on TV is produced by television studios (like 20th Century Fox), which then license the shows to networks. A network like NBC will buy a season or half-season of a show, and if it performs well (that is, amasses an audience that ads can be sold against), it will re-up with the studio for subsequent seasons. HBO, by contrast, produces television shows itself. This arrangement gives HBO the flexibility and latitude to allow its showrunners incredible artistic freedom, but it also means that HBO has to absorb all of the risk of producing shows itself. As a point of reference, a high-quality scripted drama like Game of Thrones costs around $75,000/minute, sometimes more. The first season of Game of Thrones cost between $50-60 million to produce. And all of this capital expenditure is front-loaded--you can't air an episode, wait to see if it's popular, and then decide to make another one for the next week. You need to make an entire season or half-season of a show in advance. One thing that allows HBO to offset this cost is that most of its programming, on an hourly basis, is movies (remember that HBO stands for Home Box Office), the rights to which are relatively less expensive than producing original content, as much of the production cost of these films has been absorbed by box office sales. The second thing is the predictability of incoming revenues from MSOs. This is where the current pay TV ecosystem comes back in. HBO gets not merely revenue from its MSO partners, but two other key benefits: stability and subsidized distribution. Let's start with the first. One key metric any subscription business has to pay attention to is customer churn. In any given month, how many of your current customers will abandon? Suppose you could subscribe to HBO, but you really only cared about Game of Thrones. Would you cancel your subscription when the show was out of season? This volatility can be killer, as it makes it more difficult to predict future revenues. MSOs offer other bundled services with your pay TV package (internet, phone) which reduce subscriber churn (it's a pain to switch to a new service, with technician appointments and new hardware to install), meaning that month-to-month revenues are more predictable--allowing large, upfront investments in content. Arguably even more important is the marketing and distribution support HBO gets from its MSO partners. You know those deals where you get free HBO for 3/6/12 months when you sign up for Comcast/DirecTV/AT&T U-Verse? The cable companies, which legally can't expand beyond a geographically-regulated footprint, are fighting tooth-and-nail for subscribers against the satellite operators, who aren't regulated the same way and can provide service anywhere. These giveaways are essentially free marketing and promotion for HBO, which the operators subsidize (what's $3/month to them, over the course of a two-year, $100/month contract?). Beyond this, there is sales support--HBO needs to only sell to a few cable/satellite operators rather than 30 million subscribers individually--and last, but not least, distribution support. HBO pays nothing to deliver high-definition video feeds to each of their 30 million subscribers, as this is all handled by the cable and satellite systems' infrastructure. All of this is extremely expensive: just ask Netflix, who expects to lose money as its builds its international business [2], a close analog of what HBO would face going over the top. So that's an overview of why the current setup is working pretty well for HBO. Let's suppose for a minute that HBO were to try to sell a la carte subscriptions directly to consumers, as it has already has made a first step in owning its relationship with customers in the form of HBOGO. There are a few distinct advantages to this setup. The largest of them is data: the more that HBO knows about what its customers are watching, when they're watching it, and so on, the better they can make future investments in content. They'll also be able to de-risk the content production process by more effectively marketing new content to the people who are likely to enjoy and promote it to their friends. And they'll be able to more efficiently market  to subscribers and potential subscribers, and they'll have more freedom in how they position and price their product, for instance, being able to create promotions of their own when the think a subscriber is about to churn. But the single biggest thing that would cause HBO to do such a thing is the belief that they're leaving money on the table. This is the argument that most people in Silicon Valley make when arguing that HBO should go direct to subscribers [3]. The question is, how much are they really leaving on the table? Based on a survey of about 1000 data points collected by http://takemymoneyhbo.com, the average most people offered was around $12/month [4]. So let's suppose HBO started selling for $12/month. Supposing everyone who currently gets HBO through their cable subscription bailed, HBO would have to sell 20 million subscriptions to recoup the affiliate fees lost. For comparison, that's 84% of the number of Netflix streaming subscribers in the US, who pay $8/month each [5]. But that's not realistically going to happen, because a lot of the people who want to watch HBO also want to watch other TV in their cable package, and most of the other networks aren't going to immediately follow suit and unbundle because, frankly, their content wouldn't merit as loyal a following as HBO's does. What would happen? First, HBO's MSO partners would be extremely unhappy. After all, HBO is a huge marketing tool for them. When the time comes to renegotiate the affiliate fees that HBO currently relies upon, you can bet that HBO will have lost a tremendous amount of leverage, and will have trouble trying to command such high prices from their MSO partners [6]. Second, and far more importantly, there likely just aren't enough people who would currently pay for this value proposition. Out of the 114 million households in the United States with a television, 103 million--over 90%--have some form of pay TV [7]. At HBO's current subscriber numbers, about 30% of people who have pay TV opt to get HBO. And this is with marketing and promotional support from the MSOs. So if HBO were able to get the same 30% penetration in the non-pay TV market, that would net 3.3 million subscribers, or $475 million per year at $12/month. Is there reason to believe that HBO pull this off? Perhaps, but at what cost? For reference, Comcast, DirecTV, and Dish each spend about $300 million per year on advertising. And we still haven't factored in churn, distribution, and support costs. On the demand side, it makes sense to look again to Netflix. If you look at Netflix's numbers, you'll find that Netflix subscribers are more likely to be cable subscribers than not. There are 23.9 million Netflix streaming subscribers in the US, and only 13 million households without pay TV packages, which means that Netflix would have to have more than 90% penetration in these homes for them to constitute even half of its subscribers. This is highly improbable. In fact, the exact opposite is the case: the vast majority--86%--of Netflix subscribers are already pay TV subscribers[8]. Beyond the probability, the reason for this is pretty intuitive: these people have already shown a willingness to pay for content. And at the end of the day, the same is likely to be true for HBO, but even more so, because--and this is the key point--most people who would be willing to pay for this value proposition already can. For instance, existing Comcast subscribers can add HBO to their current package for just $10/month [9]. So while it seems that there is money to be made by HBO trying to sell direct to consumers, it would be a far more difficult, costly, and risky proposition than most people think. My intention here is merely to lay out the factors they'd have to weigh. I'll also give the caveat that HBO has undoubtedly spent far more time thinking about this than I have. For the record, I do think HBO will make a move in this direction in the next few years, because at the end of the day, in this business content is king--and HBO has the best content on television. And I'm excited to see how it goes, because it will represent a harbinger for a change in the economics of the television business. [1] http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/10/disruptions-for-hbo-still-beholden-to-a-cable-company/ [2] http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_21147710/netflix-earnings-beat-street [3] http://parislemon.com/post/14557023368/dear-hbo [4] http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/05/hbo-go-without-hbo/ [5] http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/24/netflix-q2-2012-earnings/ [6] See how the current standoff between Dish and AMC has weakened AMC's bargaining position: http://paidcontent.org/2012/07/27/day-27-of-the-dish-vs-amc-standoff-wheres-the-subscriber-revolt/ [7] http://www.tvb.org/media/file/TV_Basics.pdf [8] http://www.cedmagazine.com/articles/2011/11/upfront-%E2%80%93-lrg-nearly-half-of-all-us-households-have-a-dvr [9]  http://www.comcast.com/Corporate/Learn/DigitalCable/premium-channels.html

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HBO is offering this service directly starting in October, 2012, just not in the US yet*. They're currently marketing this in four Scandinavian countries and one would assume, bring it to the US once the model is proven. Given their competition with Netflix and the steady decline of pay-cable subscriptions in the US, this move seems inevitable**. It's also worth noting that of the big pay-cable companies, HBO is the only one with more subscribers abroad than in the US. It would be easy to see how they could start engaging Netflix head-on in certain emerging markets sooner rather than later. *http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/30/hbo-nordic-to-offer-internet-streaming-subscriptions-no-cable-o/ **http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/02/comcast-reports-progress-at-nbc-but-declines-in-cable-subscriptions/

Jonathan Brill

HBO Go is a product.  It is designed only for cable subscribers who already pay for the content on TV. Time Warner, owner of HBO, long owned a cable company (Time Warner Cable), before recently spinning it off.  Time Warner also owns many other "popular" cable networks like CNN and all of the Turner Family (TBS, TNT, Cartoon Network, etc.).  It would be a risk to their entire suite of cable networks if they made them available to non-cable subscribers.  It is very difficult, in 2011, to launch a new cable network, or getting existing cable networks to mass distribution without already owning a large suite of "must have" networks.  Time Warner is one of the few companies with that power.

Ian Isanberg

That was an amazing answer, Jasper.  Well-researched and compelling. However, I think it doesn't tell the whole story.  I've worked inside Comcast and Time Warner and am aware of the cultures of both companies.  The reason that a company in a legacy industry chooses to hold back on something which would provide better service to its customers and would bring in new customers is usually that the executives cannot conceptualize the new offer. Comcast and Time Warner decision makers probably cannot understand how people like Prescott (above) do not have cable but would gladly pay for HBO online.  This boxed-in thought pattern mirrors every sea change in every industry.  GM blamed its unions for dragging it down, but the unions were only part of the problem. The unions were not forcing GM to build poor quality, gas guzzlers that customers didn't want.  With the music industry, it took the decimation of the entire industry before executives looked up and saw Apple and Amazon eating their lunch. This is a common phenomenon.  Jasper, I read your entire answer and your logic makes sense. But I don't think that is what is holding HBO back from modernizing.  My prediction is that Comcast and Time Warner will hold back, hold back, hold back until it's too late and will wither and die, like buggy whips, Oldsmobiles, newspapers and record labels before them. And my final prediction is that brainy employees of both companies (like Jasper) will get frustrated, pick up and leave to start their own companies that are very comfortable pushing the envelope!

Daryl Kulak

As the first answerer mentioned, HBO gets prime marketing consideration from cable companies, which generates billions in revenue for HBO. So, while they could very easily sell HBO Go direct to consumers, doing so will jeopardize their cozy sales relationship with cable companies. It should also be noted that while HBO is owned by Time Warner, Time Warner Cable is no longer part of Time Warner - it was spun off into an independent company that merely licenses the name "Time Warner" from Time Warner - weird but it saves money that would need to be spent on re-branding. The best way to encourage the direct sale of HBO Go would probably be to petition the FCC and Congress to require a-la-carte (unbundled) programming subscriptions.

George Thiruvathukal

That's a matter of amount of money going to the pocket vs. left on the table. At the moment HBO makes a lot more from MSO partnerships than it can possibly make. Also consider investments HBO would have to make to deal with all the end-users in terms of marketing, support and accounting. Converting from wholesale content distribution to retail sales is gotta be expensive as hell for their viewer base. Kudos to Jonathan for an awesome thorough answer! Thanks!

Pavel Rebrov

HBO initially was going to pivot, Cinemax, as their direct to consumer model. With the departure of their president, in 2006, the presidency was shared by 3 co presidents. The dotcom team served general promotion and was headed by their legal head. The GO team was under the direction of the Affiliate relationship head. The IT team managed the operations of a company that was focused on operational, corporate functions and traditional television analytics and distribution. The focus of the company is contractually driven. Digital content was only served up via their relationships via their affiliates, Comcast, Time Warner, Direct TV, Cablevision (and a few others-essentially a monopoly). The infrastructure for HBO to have a direct to customer relationship did not exist. The direct to consumer initiative became reduced to satisfying the affiliate and serve up an identical single stream of content, equally to all affiliates. The mechanism to protect and develop content was further obstructed by the security infrastructure blocking anything DOM based and prohibited any mechanism to store local data collection. All CSS had to be strategized inline. Any customization, was not a requirement, since the affiliates held all of their users. Any client management and DRM mechanism, is also held by the affiliate relationship. Direct access and data to 30 million people is a horrible thing to waste. There is so much potential, to directly engage a lot of people, especially with their stellar Documentary development team. Showtime, has incorporated Wide Vine and with direction and cohesive leadership from the top, there is still hope.

Yoonsun Lee

That was a VERY long answer, Jonathan, but the fact still remains — I _want_ to pay for HBO online only, but I can't. I will never again subscribe to traditional cable so HBO is leaving money on the table. Or at least in my wallet.

Prescott Perez-Fox

Bandwidth usage. There strategy is similar to ESPN's strategy with http://www.EPSN3.com and http://www.ESPNnetworks.com, make it an extra feature with your broadband subscription and when any of those ISP's introduce bandwidth caps, their services will not count against users. Also, I would be surprised if there was a little exchange of some cash.

Mario Scott

Awesome answer, Jasper, thanks a lot. But how about this. I live in Spain. Right now, when I want to watch an HBO show, I have two options: wait until a Spanish network picks it up, or download it over the internet (which FYI is legal in Spain as long as I don't make a profit with it). If HBO offered me a subscription for $12 a month, I'd jump to it. Hell, I'd pay twice as much. Why wouldn't HBO try to tap into the international market, i.e. where their network of affiliates doesn't reach? With the modern geolocalization tecniques for the web, they can pretty much know when a user is in the US or not, so they could keep all the revenue from the cable network in the US and offer HBOGO to foreign markets. And if you think this would be too complicated, ask MLB how they do it. I can watch every baseball game on streaming. I pay $100 a season to MLB and watch all the baseball I want. Why wouldn't HBO do something like this, instead of forcing me to wait or pirate? In fact, my friends half-jokingly call it "HBO, the network that broadcasts to the US on cable, and to the rest of the world over the Internet". Why not make it so they cash from it?

Pep Burillo

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