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Pseudoscience: How can I convince my friend that Bio Disc is a fraud?

  • He pointed me to this: http://www.biodisc-energy.com/ as reliable information. I was speechless.

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    If your friend has read the 'What is Bio Disc?' page on that website and still believes that it is a genuine product, it is likely convincing them otherwise could take an extended science course and some lessons on critical thinking. The third sentence alone on the page, 'The combination of the minerals and the fusion techniques produce a catalytic conversion of energy known as “Scalar energy”', has a lot of scientific words in it, but literally none of them make sense in the context they have been put in. Scalar energy is a nonsense phrase, 'catalytic' only applies to chemical reactions, I can only assume that they mean fusion in the most colloquial of senses, etc. And it only gets worse from there. The second sentence, by the way, just describes how you make tinted glass. You could try pointing out and explaining some of the simpler scientific errors present, and the general misuse of scientific language (always a favourite of people peddling pseudo-science). There is no way this is backed up by science, but it is trying to present itself as scientifically based. EDIT: Or even just have them look up what some of the scientific words they don't recognise mean. A lot of them are so misapplied, such as in the case of 'scalar energy', that doing that is going to make the whole thing look a lot less convincing. You could try explaining the placebo effect, and how people's perceptions can be altered by suggestion and expectation. All the effects the Bio Disc claims to result in can either be explained by this, or are difficult to impossible for an individual to test. You could also appeal to him to look into the 'sources' that claim to back up the product. They are listed at the bottom of the 'What is Bio Disc?' page. It begins with four pictures which make no explanation of what they mean, though they are meant to be convincing or under what circumstances they were taken, which hardly serves as anything. Below that are four testimonials, three of which come from institutions for which I've found no evidence they even exist. They don't have their own webpages, at the very least, which suggests they may not be reputable even if they are real. If it is a credible product, why doesn't it have any credible institutions or individuals backing up its claims? Why are there no papers on it in reputable journals? Ultimately, your friend needs to think more critically about things they read about. This is hardly the only scam of its type out there, and this is actually one of the less convincing ones I've seen. Try to find out why they think this is real, what convinced them, and have them look at that a little closer, and read about it a bit more deeply, and from other sources. There is nothing here that should be convincing to someone who is thinking critically, even if you don't have a scientific background. EDIT: Wow, I just skimmed the FAQ and found this stunning sentence: 'Unlike a magnet the resonance is not affected by the earth’s gravitational pull.' Even the most basic knowledge of physics should tell you what is wrong with this sentence. Hint: magnets aren't affected by gravity. Also, the word resonance here is completely misused, but that's pretty minor compared to the rest. This single sentence should be all you need to prove this website is full of horse manure.

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At this point, you probably can't convince him. However, if you really are good friends, I would suggest that you have an informal,non-accusatory talk with him about your concerns that he is being defrauded. Tell him that as his friend, you don't want to see anything bad happen to him or see him get ripped off. Say this only once. If you are really friends, then he'll consider what you say and he will likely decide for himself that this product isn't doing what needs to be done. If you aren't that close, he'll simply continue doing hat he is doing regardless of what you think. Once people have convinced themselves of the "efficacy" of a product or service, they will remain convinced until they no longer believe it will work. There is nothing which you can say or do that will convince them otherwise.

Jon Mixon

With web sites like these if you Google some of the 'technical' terms you usually end up at another site selling the same items or very similar or with luck at sites telling you that the item is junk. you never get a Google hit that is a real science site. Notice that all the 'technical' terms are jumps to pages on the same or similar sites. As says your friend needs  to learn some critical thinking and have some lessons in snake oil detection. http://freethoughtkampala.wordpress.com/2011/04/05/bio-disc-finger-lift-demo-debunked/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qnet

Malcolm Sargeant

1: His 'reliable' source is a .com, a commercial domain name. 2: Tell him to read, and try to understand how the product could actually work without invalidating everything we know about the universe. If it sounds like made up pseudoscience, it probably is. 3: Placebo's are wonderful things, but you should not have to pay for a placebo. 4: Show him all the previous similar products (like that energy bracelet), which had a lot of people convinced, before it was repeatedly shown to be BS. 5: tell him to try to find a reputable , possibly well known scientist that they quote. Also look up the authors of the reputable site. They may not exists, or they may even be known for writing bullshit research. 6: Tell him that if he uses the product in front of anyone outside of family, they will automatically consider him a moron without further consideration.

Benjamin Elon

Just don't try too hard.   My parents were sold out on this and till date use the disc to charge every drop of water they drink, passing it through the disc in a machine which runs for an hour and charges the water.   I too was speechless at first and just did not know what to tell my mom and it pained to think about the amount of money she spent on procuring all the accessories and discs. But then I realised its only money and if it does not harm her and brings her happiness, it must be worth it. I don't interfere much. She still believes food cooked with the bio disc charged water tastes fresher, the water she drinks feels lighter and tastes better and she feels like drinking more water because of the disc.   Infact, thanks to her, I too have a disc permanently placed on top my water dispenser which is supposed to be making the water better. But do I believe it makes the water better, I don't know, I think no, I don't. Do I feel like removing it and throwing it out? Certainly not! Because besides this disc on top of my water dispenser, I also have a small idol my family calls god and worships every day. I think there  is probably as much power in the water as there is god in the idol.   Infact, a few miles from my home, theres an entire building dedicated to a certain religion where people go and donate money to please a god. There is one more buildong full of shops where people sell uncomfortable pairs of shoes and weird clothes which people actually spend money on and think it makes them look good.   I've never done anything about those buildings so why should I care about a disc which makes my mother feel healthier because it enables her to drink more glasses of water everyday?   If it doesn't harm anyone, its fine. Just let people believe what they have to and you stay close to your own system of belief. Yes, if you have any information that it harms the user in any way, share it and file a case against the organisation selling it.

Anonymous

Even if you are able to produce a perfect argument from a rhetorical standpoint there is a good chance you won't be able to change his opinion. Do not even try to change his mind unless there is a realistic chance you will be able to do so.

Christopher Ammons

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