What is the importance of wind power?

Why do some people oppose wind power while very few object to solar power?

  • Some people, not a lot, are bitterly opposed to wind farms, especially nearby wind farms.  Yet very few are opposed to solar power installations, even when these are on a neighbour's house. Most people are concerned about climate change.  A typical modern, utility-scale wind turbine will generate about as much clean electricity as 2000 average roof-top solar installations (see http://ramblingsdc.net/Australia/WindProblems.html#How_does_wind_power_compare_to_roof-top_solar) so logically anyone who wants to see action on reducing greenhouse gas emissions should support wind power. Wind turbines make some noise, solar panels don't.  Both are conspicuous, but in different ways; wind turbines change rural views, solar panels just change the appearance of people's roofs.  Both produce clean energy.

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    Summary:  More people actively hate wind turbines because they are harder to ignore, but there's lots of hate on for solar energy too. First, do very few people object to solar energy?  That's not true in North America.  In the USA especially, but also Canada, it is only a bit less hated by many of the same people and a bit harder to attack on quite as many fronts.[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] What's the overlap?  Well, there are several groups of people who are against it. People who believe in anthropogenic global warming (AGW) and believe nuclear is the only solution. This group, usually people who have worked in the nuclear industry in some capacity or other, believe that the only solution to greenhouse gas build up is an immediate, panic-shift, no-holds-barred move to nuclear generation. They've got some math on their side too; there are lots of engineers in the group. However, they are deeply frustrated. Very few nuclear plants are being built and lots are being taken offline post-Fukushima. [7] These people live in a zero-sum world and a pretty black-and-white one as well. They are engineers, after all. When they see solar or wind going in instead of nuclear, they get ticked.  And many of them get angry.  My favourite current group of these folks is the Coalition for Energy Solutions. [8] They actually organized a pro-nuclear protest in a small town in New England recently. It was cute. They teach pro-nuclear, anti-renewables courses at the local continuing education school and one of them, Willem Post, writes lengthy articles attacking renewables -- especially wind -- and promoting nuclear as the only solution on The Energy Collective site.[9] Libertarians and Ayn-Randians These folks find anything that has any whiff of requiring a government solution or anything that infringes on their right to customize their Hummers to use even more gasoline intolerable. In their world-view, they are exceptional and safety nets should be eradicated. They hate anything that looks like a subsidy or a handout. If prompted, many will admit that coal, oil and nuclear were and are heavily subsidized and say that's terrible and wrong as well, and that the market must be pure of all taints. That said, they mostly focus on wind and solar, with Feed-in-Tariffs in Canada and the Production Tax Credit in the USA being the red flags. Global warming denialists and paranoid delusionals These folks overlap so strongly it's hard to separate them, so I won't bother. They see global warming as a giant scam to shift money from traditional energies that make sense, are economic and are the heart-and-soul of North America, to unworkable, airy-fairy renewables.  They can't understand why anyone actually believes that humans are affecting the environment and therefore the only reason for renewables is to put money into other peoples' pockets.  And of course, by other people, they mean Democrats (in the USA, the Democratic Party is the one that isn't as right-wing). As they actually call Democrats socialists or communists, when their policies and rhetoric are pretty right wing by most of the world's standards, you can see that they are a bit lacking in context, perspective and connection to reality. Smaller fossil fuel players The energy industry writ large is pro-renewables.  It's another revenue stream, it promotes innovation, it allows them to attract talent they wouldn't have otherwise been able to attract, it diversifies their portfolio allowing them to ride out oil dips and surges and it provides a nice bit of greenwashing as well.  BP, Enbridge and many other big energy players are very happily planting as many wind farms and solar panels as they can. Then there are the other ones, usually smaller players.  They don't see opportunity, they see threat.  The Koch Brothers, the Heartland Institute, Bentek and various lobbyist groups in the USA are non-diversified, unrepentant fossil fuel producers, refiners and advocates.  They too live in a zero-sum world, and for every solar panel that goes on a roof, or wind farm that goes up, they see less demand for their product. People who don't understand geographic scale These folks do some rudimentary math that says solar or wind farms will take up X or Y square kilometres (square miles in the USA, where the only metric that caught on was the 9 millimetre handgun), don't really understand it, don't put it on maps (or put it on with Google pushpins which are 10,000 times the scale of wind turbines -- true story[10]) and think that basically every square inch of country side has to be covered in wind turbines and solar panels to make enough energy to replace any fossil fuels. (Don't ask them about roads; it will just confuse them.)  These folks love the country side, love farm food, love driving around all over it burning fossil fuels to do so, love living in their relatively large, fully-detached homes, heating and cooling rooms that they don't use, and want their favourite woodlot, beach, meadow, patch of desert, whatever to remain unsullied by these monstrous industrial machines. But the premise of the question is correct at one level. More people loathe wind turbines than loathe solar panels.  That's because wind farms make noise and stick up.  They 'spoil' more views and annoy more people as a result.  They are harder to ignore. References: [1] http://blueinthebluegrass.blogspot.com.br/2009/10/why-do-davis-rogers-guthrie-hate-solar.html [2] http://www.amazon.com/The-Solar-Fraud-Energy-Edition/dp/0971484546 [3] http://www.mysolarpanelblog.co.uk/2012/04/25/fox-news-hates-solar-energy/ [4] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904836104576558763644374614.html#articleTabs%3Darticle [5] http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-09-18/news/ct-met-kass-0918-20110918_1_solyndra-loan-guarantee-obama-fundraisers-obama-white-house [6] http://free2think.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980523586 [7] http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/global-nuclear-generation-capacity-falls-to-366.5-gw/ [8] http://www.coalitionforenergysolutions.org/ [9] http://theenergycollective.com/user/61439 [10] http://windfarmrealities.org/?p=1464

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Most people I know who object to wind power do so because of aesthetics. They are extremely visible and tend to dominate the landscape. Also, as the wind tends to blow more at night, people often see them idle, leading to the conclusion that they don't work. To many libertarian-leaning folks, they are a very visible reminder for government subsidies.

Craig Lawrence

Fantastic answer from Mike Barnard. Nuclear is a good short-term alternative, until we figure out fusion (which would be nuclear anyway so we might as well build some good plants, research could be done there too). Then everyone would would have to keep schtum - the amount of energy from wind turbines is pitiful, and their manufacturing energy is huge. It's a similar case in solar power, although less so and they are less of an eyesore. At the end of the day, people oppose wind power due to aesthetics and the imbalance between these bad aesthetics and the power they are able to generate. If they were a very worthy source of electricity, people might accept them more readily. Solar panels don't divide people as much when it comes to aesthetics, they are usually attached to buildings as opposed to being built as free-standing monoliths - and their better efficiency means people are more willing to accept them.

Jeffery Nevil

I think the answer to your questions is in your question itself. As you mentioned most of the people who oppose wind energy live very close to wind farms. In theory the concept of wind energy sounds wonderful until the wind farm is in your own back yard. Wind farms are an eye sore. They make a lot of noise and they have a negative impact on property value. It's mostly for these reasons that people oppose such installations. Solar installations on the other hand are unobtrusive and do not make any noise. Instead of reducing the value of a property a well installed solar system can actually appreciate the cost of a home. This is primarily the reason why people are more amenable to solar power installations. In terms of efficiency and power generation both types of energy still have a long way to go before they can completely replace our reliance on non-renewable resources. It's only a matter of time until our technologies catch up and are able to provide us with clean energy. IMHO http://isratech.com/

Abella Dubois

Obviously everyone here answering this question thinks they know why. However, unless you have lived in an area where you have experienced the suffering of people who cannot even live in their homes and cannot sell them even for $100,000. less than their original market value, you might then understand. The ridiculous setbacks from homes is only 550 metres as these abominations have grown taller to reach over 600 ft. In Ontario I would prefer to see an equitable microFIT program for solar energy based on what it can generate as a renewable energy but not taking up good arable land. Solar on rooftops and barns doesn't make property values go down and create a nuisance for neighbours. I guess the only good thing you can say about once beautiful Wolfe Island now with 86 wind turbines on it is that they're producing electricity. Even the Americans are complaining down there and they have pulled the plug in Australia. In Britain, now that municipalities have declared themselves "not willing hosts", the government has finally listenend to the people to stop onshore wind turbines.  They're only around for 20 years anyway and the FIT will be a dead issue along with wind energy. It's not about wind being a viable source.It's intermittent and as such is unsustainable feeding off subsidies. And other energy forms including wind are getting paid whether or NOT to produce energy? And wind is NOT working in Ontario. The greatest portion of the hydro bills goes to pay for wind energy which makes up 4% of the mix of energy in Ontario. Something that only works at 10 to 28% of its "potential" with the huge costs of infrastructure and money paid out even when they don't work? Ontario is NOT on an ocean and even the winds on the Great Lakes are generally mild to moderate! It is wishful thinking and we have had it here around Lake Erie since 2003. The first 3 Ontario wind projects in around Clear Creek (Port Burwell), Shelburne and Wolfe Island are fiascos where the wind companies had to buy out people so they could leave their houses because they could not live in them from the noise as they could not sleep and they could not sell them. They were gag-ordered not to talk to save face for the wind companies. Anyone since then was just labeled a NIMBY so they wouldn't have to pay out. What kind of green is that? We haven't even begun to evaluate the damage to wildlife as they never required the companies to report the numbers of dead birds and if they did on Wolfe Island they would have been prosecuted today like they are doing in the U.S. James Lovelock (who started the Green movement with his Gaia theory): "We never intended a fundamentalist Green movement that rejected all energy sources other than renewable, nor did we expect the Greens to cast aside our priceless ecological heritage because of their failure to understand that the needs of the Earth are not separable from human needs. We need take care that the spinning windmills do not become like the statues on Easter Island, monuments of a failed civilization." One can only conclude it's all about money, nothing more, and it's sad that most of those "green jobs" that McGuinty promised are for lawyers. What we have is ecological prostitution that has nothing to do with sustainability or an improved environmental habitat for humans or wildlife. That's the truth from ground zero why people hate wind turbines.

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