What does it feel like to attend a world-renowned university?
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I'll speak up for Caltech here. Going through undergrad at Caltech is the hardest thing you'll ever do. Before I can talk about anything else, you have to understand what I mean by this. Caltech is a place that was built up to take the best scientific minds in the country and push them harder, faster, and further than they'd ever experienced before. It manages this through a couple key points: There are almost no introductory classes. The 'normal' class track for most majors has you taking graduate level courses starting in your sophomore or junior year. The core curriculum requirement is incredible. Every undergrad at Caltech is required to take courses in analysis, multivariable calculus, linear algebra, differential equations, probability and statistics, classical mechanics, special relativity, electricity and magnetism, waves and optics, thermodynamics, quantum mechanics, general chemistry, physical and organic chemistry, chemistry lab, a second lab class chosen from the likes of nanofabrication labs, physics labs, etc, the biology and biophysics of viruses, and a 'breadth' or 'menu' course chosen from the likes of introductory astronomy, geology, information science, energy science, etc. Everyone takes all of these. No matter your major. Yes, even the premeds have to pass quantum mechanics. You take many, many classes. Taking 5-6 courses simultaneously is considered normal. This doesn't count any 'small' course listings like playing for the athletic teams or somesuch. No, we're talking 5-6 full-blown, hardcore science courses. Taking anything less, even just 4 courses, makes it difficult to remain a full-time student, and difficult to fulfill all the requirements you need in order to graduate on time. On the other hand, many students find themselves taking 7 courses at once in some terms. The classes move extremely quickly. Some time ago, Caltech moved to a quarter system where each quarter lasts 10 weeks. Rather than simply teach less material than a corresponding semester-long course, the professors adopted the policy of just accelerating the coursework so that each quarter-long course covers a full semester's worth of material. Add onto all of this what can be a somewhat insular social environment that can be as challenging to deal with as your courses, and you can begin to understand what I'm talking about. To put things into a Silicon Valley perspective, when I came to Mountain View to start a software startup, I asked around to a lot of the alumni contacts I knew for advice. One thing that was often repeated was the warning that "I'd like to say that starting a startup will be the hardest thing you'll ever do, but you were an undergrad at Caltech, so I can't. Instead, it'll be the second hardest thing you'll ever do." Now for the rest of the experience: Like many world class universities, the faculty are amazing. You take courses from people who literally wrote the book in their fields. I won't belabor this point because by now you've seen it reiterated many times in the other answers to this question, but it's pretty neat, and worth mentioning once. The laboratory access is unparalleled. It is literally as easy to get a spot in a world-class lab as walking up to a professor after class and expressing your interest. This includes research gigs at national labs, JPL, and associated research facilities. Almost every single student does some form of research work while at Caltech. Most do research work over the summerâwhen no classes are offeredâbut many continue their laboratory involvement full time during the school year, on top of the 5-6 classes they have to take as a full-time student. The Caltech Honor Code is sacred. No member of the Caltech community shall take unfair advantage of any other member of the Caltech community. Every Techer knows those words by heart. The attitude of the honor code permeates the school, and every interaction within it. It is taken so seriously that cheating is almost unheard of, despite take-home midterms and finals (more on this later), and when cheating does happen, investigation and punishment of any offense is left to the undergrads. Specifically, there is a group in the student government called the Board of Control (abbreviated BoC), which is responsible for policing academic dishonesty. Their decisions, though reviewed by the dean of students, are almost always upheld, and may include 'corrective' measures that range from nullifying a student's grade on an offending exam, to nullifying a student's grade in a class, to placing a student on involuntary leave or even expelling a student outright from the Institute. Advantages of the seriousness with which the Caltech community takes into mind the honor code include the ease with which students can gain personal keys to buildings and laboratories on campus, and extreme levels of comfort and safety around your fellow students. Though it's not advised, you can basically leave the door to your room open for hours without being personally present, and expect to find nothing missing or misplaced upon your return. It is literally a violation of Institute policy to administer a proctored exam. Midterms and finals are take-home, almost without exception. The only time I ever had an in-class final was for a humanities class where the professor didn't want us to spend too much time worrying about the final paper. He walked in the door, wrote the prompt on the chalkboard, told us we had two hours to write and after that, he'd be back to pick up the papers, and walked right back out the door again. Take-home exams include specified time and resource limits. For example, they might say "This exam must be taken in four hours, in one sitting, and you may only reference your own hand-written course notes." or "This exam may be taken over the course of six hours, with a single thirty-minute break not counting against that time limit taken at any time. This exam is considered closed-book, and you may not reference any outside materials." The worst exams, though, have descriptions that go like this "This is an 'infinite-time' exam. You may work on this exam throughout the entirety of finals week, but must turn it in at 5pm on the last day of the week. You may reference anything you like, including any textbooks, Google, or other internet resources, but you may not discuss problems on this exam with anyone else." Infinite-time, open-Google exams are legendary and terrible, because the more resources the professor has made available to you, the more you can be sure that those resources won't help you. It's not uncommon for professors to put open research problems in the field on exams like this. Another note about Caltech exams is that often, when professors run out of time to teach additional topics in their courses, they'll include those topics on the final exam anyway, expecting students to use the open-book policy to learn the topics from the textbook on the fly, during the exam, and to then answer difficult questions relating to them. Caltech requires its students to take a great number of humanities courses. Little known in the outside world, Caltech has a significant (12-courses, which averages to one every quarter) requirement in the Humanities and Social Sciences that every student must complete in order to graduate. While you have great flexibility in choosing the individual courses you take, you are required to spread them out among several broad categories. Courses eligible for fulfilling this requirement includeâbeyond the expected literature, foreign language, history and philosophy offeringsâthose offered in anthropology, business and economic management, economics, law, and political science. It should be noted that many of the courses offered in these latter categories have a particularly 'Caltech' approach, often involving significant levels of mathematical analysis, e.g., game theory in economics courses, or options pricing models in related business classes. Despite the unexpected nature of this requirement, many of the best classes I ever took at Caltech were humanities courses. Years of the Caltech course load give you an incredible ability to focus and to learn new fields extremely quickly. Like I mentioned earlier, there are very few introductory classes. Most of the time, you're dropped into courses alongside graduate students in the relevant fields. The difference is that all the grad students have had lower-level, introductory courses at their previous institutions. The undergrads? Not so much. A consequence of this, and of the often 60+ hours a week of problem sets you have to deal with, is that the only way to survive is to develop an incredible ability to focus on the tasks at hand in conjunction with the ability to rapidly learn new fields. The core curriculum helps immensely here, because through it, every student has some basic familiarity with almost every concept in science. To put it another way, at Caltech, you spend almost every single day for four (or five, or six, or seven) years straight facing problems that you don't know how to solve. The idea of being faced with a problem that you don't understand, then, isn't a scary thing anymore, and instead becomes familiar. Since giving up is not an option, through such repeated exposure to problems you don't understand you develop a method of dealing with them. You learn how to break unknown problems up into parts, to categorize and classify them, to make powerful analogies to situations you are already familiar with, to learn to use new techniques and methods of thought, and to invent a hundred crazy approaches in a row when nothing else seems to work. Problems that you don't, initially, have any clue how to solve are par for the course, for every course, for every problem set. There is a special kind of intelligence among the undergrads at Caltech. I hope the idea that Caltech undergrads are extremely focused on scientific fields will come as no shock to anyone reading this. I should stress, though, that that same focus does not imply a corresponding lack of interest in non-scientific fields. Like most schools, students at Caltech have a wide variety of interests, and like most world-renowned schools, students at Caltech take their outside interests very seriously. The result, though, is curious in a way that I suspect is probably only really duplicated at MIT. You see, at Caltech, like many other schools discussed in this question, you often get into fascinating discussions with your fellow students about everything from political events to philosophy to popular culture. However, unlike most other schools discussed in this question, when debate occurs at Caltech, it is a very particular kind of debate indeed. At Caltech, real-world evidence and logical thought processes are of paramount importance in a way that can only be true at a place with such a singular focus on science. Blind conjecture, unfounded assertions, emotional exhortations, or contradictory beliefs will get hounded out faster than a fox at a beagle convention. In many cases, it's exhilarating. In some, it's annoying. But it always keeps you on your toes. The social atmosphere: There are enough details that go into this to make it worth its own section in my answer. The house system. Caltech has no dorms and no fraternities or sororities. Instead, there is the house system. There are eight houses, each of which contains between about 70 and 120 students. The houses have membership rules similar to frats, and select new members from among the freshmen during a week-long event at the beginning of each school year called Rotation. Each house is self-governing, extremely close knit and has its own personality, traditions, and quirks. A recent student experience trip conducted by the Caltech student government found that Caltech's house system promoted a greater degree of interaction between students of different years than was commonly found anywhere else among the other schools toured across the nation. Each house organizes social events for its members, sports (and other) challenges against other houses, and parties for the entire campus. It's often said that Caltech is very much like Harry Potter, except we have eight houses instead of four, and no talking hat. To get an idea of just how important the houses are at Caltech, consider that alongside class-year reunions, Caltech's alumni association organizes House-specific reunions for each of the eight houses. Caltech parties are legendary. Take two parts brilliant engineers, five parts stressed-out students needing a release, three parts wild and crazy ideas, and one part easy access to money and construction equipment, and what do you get? Students spending months building, painting, and decorating parties for a single wild night. Past parties have included flooded courtyards and floating dance floors, snow machines and giant submarines, huge pyramids, rope bridge entranceways extending out of roof-level stairwell windows, programmable LED nets, fifty feet on a side, underground passages, and more. It's unbelievable. Nevertheless, Caltech is extremely emotionally challenging. Years on end of exposure to the pressure cooker environment, to incredibly challenging work, to all-nighter after all-nighterâthe most depressing thing is when your all-nighters are regularly scheduled every week by the dictates of your courseworkâto, in a nutshell, an environment where your best is never good enough, because nothing is ever good enough, and you're running as fast as you can just to barely be able to keep up with everything and you're desperately hoping that nothing goes even the slightest bit badlyâlike getting sick for a weekend, or, god forbid, during the weekâbecause then you'll be forced to play catch-up, and it's almost impossible to catch up once you've fallen behind, and it's a victory when you get six hours of sleep one night because that's the most you'll sleep this week until Saturday, and you've just gotten your midterms back, but you can't relax because you've got finals in three weeks, and you're trying your hardest at your sports practice, but it's not going so well because you're sluggish on the court because who has reflexes worth a damn when you're lucky to average five hours of sleep a night, and the prof whose lab you're working in expects new experimental results on Monday, and your friend is having a breakdown because of relationship issues that you're hearing no end of, but you want to help because they're your friend, and another friend you know is in a serious depression because god damn, the stress level is through the roof, and how the hell are you supposed to finish soldering your project together at five in the morning when your hands are shaking and your vision is blurring, and you can hardly keep your eyes open anymore, and you know that you'll be sick to your stomach all day tomorrow because that's what always happens after nights like this. During my time at Caltech, I knew more than a dozen people who spent time at the local mental health clinic's suicide watch ward. I would be surprised if any Caltech undergrad never had a friend end up there. Finally, I should mention that the small size of the school opens up many opportunities. Because the school's population is so small (only about 850 undergrads) and so selective, the faculty and administration are incredibly accessible, and treat the students with a great deal of respect. It's not unusual for a student to be able to schedule a same-day sit down meeting with any member of Caltech's administration or faculty. Further, students sit on almost every Institute committee, from the search committees for new vice presidents of the institute to the freshman admissions committee and beyond. It's incredibly easy to make connections to members of the faculty and the administration, and I know many fellow undergrads who have found those connections to be absolutely invaluable. In conclusion, while I haven't discussed every detail and aspect of attending Caltech as an undergrad, I believe I've hit on the most important points. I've left out innumerable crazy stories and weird traditions (throwing liquid-nitrogen-frozen pumpkins off of the roof of a ten story building on Halloween night, anyone?), as well as some of the finer details of the way the school runs, but I hope I've been able to impart some visceral understanding of what the school is like for most of its students.
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This may not strictly be "The College Experience," but one thing I've noticed about going to Harvard, qua world-renowned university, was the sheer number of tourists. I mean, walking through the Yard on a nice fall day is a major undertaking. Edited to add: Maybe I should try and generalize this answer a little bit. I think that, when one attends a truly "world-renowned" university, you realize that the institution takes on a bit of a life of its own, at least within other people's expectations. People (both within and outside the institution) have certain feelings about it, and, by extension, you. This is not necessarily a good or bad thing, but it is different. I went to college at a (by the standards of this question, at least) world-renowned university - Chicago - but I have really only noticed this effect since coming to Harvard. In my opinion, there are a handful of genuinely famous universities (e.g., Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, maybe a few others) that are really different, in some ways, than all others. Ultimately, I think that you get used to whichever school you go to, and the difference between one of these universities and a peer institution is, for most people (especially in college), a matter of degree. However, the way that they are perceived by others - this is what I was trying to express in my initial answer, as well as the paragraph above - is qualitatively different.
Phil Underwood
I come from a bit of a different angle, having done my BA from a very middle-tier state school, and then going on to do master's and doctoral work at two of the schools mentioned above. I have to say that the initial transition from a middle-ranked public university to the Ivy League et. al. left me a bit star-struck, but once I began coursework, I realised that I was no different than my classmates, many of whom had done undergrad at these top-tier schools. Writing in very general terms, they were probably harder working and better read than my undergrad classmates, but many were not and the vast majority were far from brilliant. The only real difference between myself and my Ivied-brethren was that they had their shit together in high school, worked hard, had resources, and knew the difference between Penn and Penn State at an early age, whereas I didn't. It's very clear that parents and their socioeconomic status ("class") plays a huge role in this. Whereas my parents said "You're going to college," kids who go straight from high school to a top university have parents saying "You're going to a top 15 school, and we're getting you an SAT tutor, and your flute teacher will be here in 30 minutes, and how's mandarin coming along?" There's a process that needs to start early, and it's very intentional, and can be very expensive. But make no mistake, people from these schools are no smarter or more interesting (probably less interesting, in fact), than any curious, widely read, and hard-working student at any one of the hundreds or thousands of universities around the world. I know my graduate degrees will afford me some unique opportunities and a modicum of privilege, but I'm not sure it's entirely deserved. All that being said - and to answer the question - it's nice to attend any of these schools, but stay critical and don't drink the cool aid of self-importance.
Anonymous
I was an undergrad at MIT and a grad student and postdoc at Stanford. The coolest part about both was hanging out with smart people who worked hard to get somewhere they could do something interesting. Lots of opportunity to avoid doing anything useful anywhere, but spending time with highly capable people tends to be fun and interesting.
John Mulligan
Indian Institute of Technology. I go to IIT Bombay and I have spent almost four years here studying Mechanical Engineering. Disclaimer: This is no official answer representing any fraction of IIT Community. Itâs totally personal. And itâs totally true. Yes it is. Caltech. Ivy League(s). Oxford. IIT. I love that you put these names together. And you want to know how does it feel like studying in one? Not an outlandish question, this. It feels pride. It depends on you really how long that lasts though. People try to keep that short so they can have other things to play with during their stay here. It feels more pride when anybody in the country is willing to stare at you for a minute at the least following them knowing that youâre from the IIT. Well they used to say âhere you go Genius/Technocratâ. They still do. Lot of them, in India. Going through undergrad at IIT Bombay is not the hardest thing youâll ever do. We donât have an exceptional curriculum nor are we forced to take many, many classes. Not everyone does Research, few do actually. The semester is short and our mechanical profs test students from what they have taught in class most of the time. It canât get easier than this? People are smart. Of course they are, lot of them hired by corporate whores in few semesters of IIT training. They break this âeasyâ routine into simpler pieces. They read, write, play cricket, play music and thousand other things and attempt examinations. There are people who donât do this, but letâs stick to the smart ones here shall we. But hey, you need not study hard to stay ahead. Be enthusiastic and a quick runner for stuff. You make sure you run to the professor for getting a project before that other guy from batch takes it away. You make sure you run whole nights before exam not losing out on xeroxed notes to others. You run for food in your mess. You run when you donât know whatâs going on around. You run to select the sport of your choice in first year, you run to select minor program you want to go through or you run (harder this time) to get onto this thing here- Yeah this feels bit awkward and tiring at times. But hey, youâre smart. Corporate whores exist and will continue to. Theyâll hire you to run for them later on.
Om Patel
You're constantly around people who are involved in 1000 things, beating the curve in their classes, and still make time to party on the weekends. You wonder how anyone does it. It's quite humbling, really. You go to classes with them, you live with them, you eat with them, you party with them, socialize, etc-all in a one mile radius. I will never have that experience again. You are sheltered from some realities of life and feel that the world is at your fingertips.
Daisy Jing
You always feel like you have to be better. I go to Cornell right now. I'm doing well, extremely well, in fact. But there are still so many people far more brilliant than me. People who would think the work I have to do is a joke. People who can ace the few classes I wouldn't be able to handle. People doing groundbreaking research when I'm struggling to have anything to show my research advisor. At the same time, there are tons of people who I have no idea why they got in. You don't need to be a 4.0 student, but I'm amazed at the utter lack of intellectual curiosity and depth of so many of my fellow students, in stark contrast to the stupefying brilliance of some others. Partying is not a bad thing to do, but when you're going out five nights a week and failing classes when professors explicitly try their hardest to avoid giving out failing grades... you're doing something wrong. Not to bash on liberal arts majors (i.e. social sci/humanities), because there are many smart ones, but I've noticed this more in them, since usually that kind of thing will simply not cut it in STEM. But not always.
Anonymous
Alvin, I hate to burst your bubble but elite colleges look, sound like and feel like their brothers and sister colleges around the country. College is a time of excitement and exploration for the newbies called freshman which quickly morphs into a somewhat similar routine which is pay attention in class, do your required homework and reward yourselves with a bit of entertainment on weekends as you and your girl and boy buddies talk about how hard life and college is and how unfair some professors can be by giving them lots of readings and assignments for the weekend and particularly right before those numerous holidays and college brakes. You see Alvin college is the last stop before adulthood so don't worry about what name is on the Sports Palace just do well in your studies, play when you can, get to know others who can become your lifelong friends because these can be the best years of your life or you can screw it up and end up slinging hamburgers at McDonalds. College is the bridge between childhood and adulthood so enjoy it while you can and don't worry about what college is at the top of the totem poll and which are not. You can get a great education at almost any state supported or private college it really depends how much effort you are willing to put in to make that happen. Regards, Dr. Rick, Author of Retirement: Different by Design go to: http://www.retirementdifferentbydesign.com
Richard Steiner
Elite colleges are like iPhones - really hyped, but not much different from Xiaomi or HTC. Apart from having a higher proportion of classmates from elite families, everything else is normal. At Princeton, we still complain that a certain test was so damn difficult!So whether you attend Princeton or some lowly school like Harvard, college is what you make of it.
Chege
Really short answer: It feels awesome. Slightly longer answer: I attended UC Berkeley during the mid to late 90s and it was a great experience. I was surrounded by brilliant minds that wanted to change the world and were mentored by equally great minds. Being a premed major (Molecular & Cellular Biology), I must admit it was HARD. Competition in that major was intense. Every student wanted to be a doctor and were willing to fight hard to be the top in the class. Graduating from UCB taught me the value of hard work, to always keep learning, to be creative, problem solve the right way, and to always be passionate about something.
Jarod Lam
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