Are men and women in Kenya treated equally?

Has feminism gone too far? Are women treated better than men?

  • The whole feminism has gone way too far in certain aspects. I believe that everyone should be treated equally no matter what race, age or gender. It seems now that women get many perks thanks to feminism, for example: Women can retire at 60; men 65 Women get 8 weeks maternity; men only 2 Women get cheaper car insurance Women get more money from court cases (especially divorce) Women are still not expected to work Women look after kids following a divorce.  Males who are sexually/physically abused are not taken seriously in court.  Female criminals serve less time in jail for equivalent crimes. Far more funding going into women's healthy; when was the last time you've seen a leaflet about testicular cancer (yet this is the most commen cancer in young men)? Mother's day is very important, but father's day is virtually ignored.  Males support female charities (eg breast cancer) when women don't support male charities (eg testicular cancer).  Th teaching style at schools favours females Men buy gifts and look after the women in relationships when the women may not do anything.  There are many taboo such as "open doors for women" and "ladies first" etc that apply only to women. There are many "women only" organisations. This is discrimination at it's worst and needs to be sorted out. I'm sure there are loads more arguments. I know there are opposing arguments that I'll love to hear, but that's not really the aim of my question. The aim of feminism is EQUALITY. Overall, women and men may be treated similarly, however why is there such a difference between certain aspects. The see saw may be balanced, but only because there are equal gender flaws and advantages for both genders. As I've said, I believe in equality 100% and would rather these differences be evened out.  What do you think? Are men treated better? Are women treated better? Do you have any arguments? Why is the equality 'see saw' not balanced with individual aspects? Is it balanced overall?

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    Yep way too far.. Feminism blatantly promote/encourage female supremacy and misandry. Feminists skewed the entire system in women's favor. Due to feminism influences women (especially Western women) are having many..many...special rights, laws, and privileges over men.

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Yes women get way more in the way of preferential treatment and 'perks', yet we have to hear them carry on about how they are oppressed...

The Stick Of Truth

This is all true to the core.

That dude

Are you kidding me? You really think it's sexist that women get more time off after GIVING BIRTH? To answer the question, no, I don't think women are treated better than men are. I am routinely treated like a second-class citizen because I have a vulva. -Most rape victims are women -Most victims of domestic violence are women -Women are paid FAR less then men are, even when they hold identical degrees -Sociologists consider women a minority group because of their position relative to men, even when they make up HALF of the population -When has there EVER been a woman as the U.S. President? -Women take custody of the kids after a divorce BECAUSE they are perceived to be the ones who "should" be doing the child-rearing -Women's careers suffer after having a child, but men's flourish -Women are accused of being hormonal and shrill if they are upset -Women who dare to enjoy their sexuality are demonized -Women who are authors sometimes use their initials instead of their first name because otherwise, people wouldn't read their books -Crafts that have been traditional women's work, like knitting, are labeled frivolous, while men's hobbies are not -Women get more money in divorces because they NEED it to take care of their children -Women are disproportionately effected by poverty -Women's bodies are used by advertising in demeaning ways -Rappers don't call men "b*tches" and talk about harming them because of their gender Etc.

Jellyfish

I believe our society has gotten so caught up with equalizing women that we were blind to notice we're overdosing our grace. There's no longer "Women's Rights". It's now "Women's Advantages" It's as if being born a woman, you're automatically ten steps ahead in more ways then one. Maybe this is just karma getting back at us for generations of a pro-alpha male society. Think of Man and Woman equality as two people having a race around the world. The man had a twenty mile head start, so in turn the woman got rocket boots. Right now the woman's ahead, but hey, rocket fuel has to run out at some point right? ;)

J.D.

For everything you listed there is a logical and just reason behind them. It's not sexism against men.

Finn

You do know why women retired at 60 and men at 65, don't you? It's because women are traditionally a few years younger than their husbands and it was designed so that couples would retire together. Your diatribe is so self pitying as to be unbelievable. You blame feminism because sexual abuse against men isn't believed in court? What nonsense. Feminism is against "ladies first", etc. You've lumped everything together in a big jumble. Your first thing to do is separate traditions, sexism and feminism. But one thing I am going to reply to: custody and divorce. Divorce should put the children first - children should not suffer a change in lifestyle because their parents divorce. Say a couple buy a house together, then after 15 years, they divorce. Should those children from that divorce be now expected to live in say, a trailer???? Most men don't want custody of children which is why women are lumped with them. If you think looking after a child is easy, have a look at how working women battle during the school holidays.

Disa

The problem isn't so much that society openly treats men worse, it's that people generally won't even question that something might negatively affect men. If you complain, you're a sexist, or worst. We basically have to suck it up and live with it. Feminism isn't inherently at fault here, but most feminists are extremely vocal that any attempt to help men out is sexist even as they focus exclusively on helping out women, so to an extent feminists can be blamed. But most people really just don't even think about men being affected by sexism except in the most egregious of cases, and feminists' responsibility there is questionable. Who can retire at 60 or 65 with full retirement benefits anyway?

Colonel Reb

Both men and women have been grievously oppressed, not only sexually, but in legislature and society. Both have been dealt great injustices, from women not being allowed to vote, to men being denied asylum in domestic violence shelters. However, in this instance, I think that men are more oppressed to the extent that male-related issues (like female on male violence) are neglected and/or viewed less important than women’s, especially because of the excessive lobbying by feminist groups.. If feminism is TRULY acting in the interest of equal rights for ALL, than why exactly is it called "feminism" (fem=female)? I think it is quite bias that these groups only lobby for women, when women already have some laws "favoring" them. For example, neither a mother, nor a father should be initially favored when granting custody of a child. But many states continue to favor a mother in divorce and custody situations. Gender should have nothing to do with who is granted custody of a child. What should be taken into account is the actual parenting ability of a parent, their care giving skills, kindness, any history of abuse towards their child, and their total income. However, after the early 1900s most US States shifted from favoring the father (which is oppressive) to favoring the mother (which is oppressive). Even after the idea of “best interests of the child” was implemented, mothers were still favored (which is oppressive). Also, male-on-female domestic abuse (which is oppressive) is widely documented, and government funded abuse shelters have been created. However, female-on-male domestic abuse (which is oppressive) is rarely documented, or acknowledged (just look at the others answers, which claim that most domestic abuse victims are women, but fail to mention that according to the Domestic Violence Resource Center, both a male and a female are equally as likely to lay the first punch on their partner in a domestic abuse situation). Many male abuse victims seeking asylum in shelters have been turned down (I even know of one case where the man [who was disabled] was told when seeking safety from his abusive wife, who had recently tried to kill him, [paraphrasing] “you can’t come here, because men are the perpetrators of abuse, not women” [which is oppressive]). Why can’t men go there? Are these shelters suggesting that there’s no such thing female-on-male violence? In my opinion, no victim should ever be told that they can’t get the help they deserve, especially because of their gender! A victim should absolutely never be told that they aren’t a victim without definitive proof! Furthermore, I’d like to point out the creation of the VAWA (or Violence Against Women Act), which allows the authority for the government to give out grants (to abuse shelters, for example). That is a major breakthrough for violence against women, and for civil rights. But I need to ask this, what about men? Why is there no VAMA, as men certainly have been subjected to violence? Just to give readers a perspective on possible male issues, here are a few: - A women spends less time incarcerated than a man convicted of an identical crime (which is oppressive) - In this example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrvDhSB7GHk&feature=related) women on a talk show (as well as the audience) openly laugh at a case of female on male domestic abuse. In this case, the man had been drugged, had his penis cut off, and it was then thrown in the garbage disposal. It is unacceptable that sleazebags like these aren’t penalized for such actions (which are oppressive). - In this example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks&feature=player_embedded), ABC news conducted a study in which two sets of two actors each (one male, one female) simulated abuse in a public park. In the case of the female being "abused", onlookers were quick to call 911. But when the male was "abused", onlookers ignored it, even cheering on the woman (which is oppressive, and extremely prejudicial). In fact, one women said (paraphrasing) "He probably deserved it. He must have been cheating on her." What an asinine statement "He must have deserved it"! I honestly just don’t know what to say to something like that! These double standards have NO place in today’s society. I will sincerely hope that our future is a bright one, where both genders are treated with equal and undying respect, and that bias is not so prevalent as it is today. Sincerely, the Voice of Reason

Mr Citizen

Most people work well past their retirement ages. My grandma's 67 and is still working. Women are the ones that have the babies so... Women get in less car accidents and cost insurance companies less money. Women pay more medical insurance because women cost those insurance companies more. It's the judge that decides this. Men aren't expected to work either. People can pretty much do what they want now. Men usually get the house after divorce. Females who are raped are blamed in court and only 1 in 16 rapists convicted of rape will spend time in jail. Again, this is the judge that decides this. Women's health issues are just NOW starting to get recognition. Before, all medical research was done on men and women grew up thinking they weren't at risk for most medical diseases when in fact they were. Agreed about mothers day and fathers day. But more people now their mothers than their fathers A lot of women support causes and awareness for men's problems Teaching styles do not favor females, but they do favor those who learn by listening and watching except for maths and sciences that favor those who learn better by actually doing. I don't know a single woman who doesn't buy her boyfriend/husband gifts No there isn't. No one is expected to open doors for women anymore. And women open doors for men all the time. There are also men only organizations. I think each sex has ways in which they're treated better than the other, and ways in which they're treated worse.

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