What exactly constitutes a sell-out?

Black people of OCG: Do you think when we label each other with words like, sellout, "coons", etc. that we are?

  • actually being divisive amongst ourselves? Say a person dates outside their race, they're a sell out. Say a person acts in a stereotypical manner, they're "coons." Did you know that a "coon" is actually a racial slur? Why do so many blacks use it to describe other blacks? We call each other uncle toms, house n*ggas, mammies and all kinds of names. Is the name calling really warranted sometimes? We quickly cast out those who we think are going against us without thinking that they were once probably with us but now that we've ostracized them, they are truly against us. It's like the "this one thing doesn't belong" game we play. I've seen on here and offline black people look down on the other and call them names. This is why I don't use the word ghetto as an adjective. Black people will call each other that in a minute and look down on these so called "ghetto" people whilst preaching unity. If they really cared about black unity then they wouldn't look down on other blacks and call them names. And these same people will say they are different from the "ghetto" blacks as if that makes them better. Well, it doesn't. And for the black people who like to call others sellouts...I asked this in my other question but what makes your beliefs so worthy that others should take them into consideration? Seriously, I want to know. I don't think I've ever called anyone a sellout based on what some of you guys think is a sellout. I think someone who is ashamed of being black and looks down on blacks and disassociates with black could possibly be a sellout but I really don't like the name-calling among us. Some people call Tyler Perry a coon because his movies typically display so called negative stereotypes about black people. What do you think of that? I remember Spike Lee calling him out about it. If you think his movies do not portray us in a positive light then why not just support movies that do? Or make your own movie? So what do you think, guys? Is the name calling divisive or what?

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    I can't agree enough. I know black people on both sides of the spectrum. I know black people who call others "ghetto" and I have an aunt who actually scoffs in disgust whenever the WORD "Africa" is brought up. She's also disgusted by their accents. This, I think, is pathetic. But on the other hand I know black people who have called me a "sell out" or "white girl" since I was in elementary school because of how I spoke (which I must say isn't anything like a white girl, I don't know what those kids were on to make them think the way I spoke was "white"), made good grades, and such. And now I have them calling me a "sell out" because I happen to be with a white man. I never once said anything against black men or the black "race" as a whole. But because of my connection with the man I love, I'm automatically a "sell out" and I automatically think all of these negative things about black people. I think that black people, Black Americans especially (I can't speak for other groups) have a very strict group mentality. We feel like we're all in the same boat (which we very well may be) so that because of that we must all share the same opinions. If you're black and you're not a Christian, not a Democrat, not a fan of hip hop, not married to a strong black man, then you're quite frankly "not black" at all. And this is absolutely insane. Just as insane as the black people who feel like they always have to prove themselves to their white comrades by saying "Well, I'm not like THOSE black people. Look at me, I "talk right" and have a good job. I'm like YOU, see?" This is entirely divisive. It not only assumes that blacks SHOULD share all the same opinions but it also assumes that blacks are the same, the one thing that blacks are the most offended by. It's very conflicted when you think about it. This is why I'm happy saying I'm Qwerty. I don't really care about the "black" label just because I feel like it doesn't get me anywhere. I can say "I'm black" all I want. Some blacks will always view me as "the sell out" and some whites will always view me as "the black girl." So that's why I'm just me. I wish others would get with the program. And I already know who's thumbing me down, by the way. Way to prove my point.

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Blacks have always been divisive- always. There are only a select few within that try to bring about Unity- but there will always be other blacks with their reasonings as to why it wont work (we have different cultures- I hear this one from Africans) or- (it's racists to want "black unity - heard that from some on here). I dont call names like that- but, I do see how stupid some black people think about one another- then have the gall to express it on publlic forums. "I dont like black men" -or- "I dont like black women" -or- "this one is ghetto- that one is ghetto" ...going right along with the garbage that blunt racists on here say. I cant respect that. at all. I see black users on here, kissing some of the most vile racists behinds- giggling, and talking softly to them. when they should either completely IGNORE or TELL THEM OFF.

Cocoa Butter

I'm glade u brought this up people don't realize black folk are much harder on ourselves then non-blacks.

brandon R

It is divisive, and there are alot of deep emotions and complicated history that causes the use of these words and why it is done. I have never heard any black person call another black person a coon, but I have definitely heard the other terms. I think basically what happened to us as black people is that during slavery and segregation, the only way we survived was to stick together. For example, growing up, older black people were called "Uncle" or Aunt" even if not related to show the family relationship. Then later the way blacks called each other "brother" or "sister" to also reflect this sense of unity. In addition, certain behaviors and cultural ties developed that most black people considered as being a part of our sense of identity. However, now that as black people we can live where we want, and segregation no longer limits us to where we live and the circles we socialize in, we have developed a wider range of what being black in America entails. The differences create a sense of mistrust and/or sometimes envy. Thus the name calling. If you look at it closely, these names came from slavery and stereotypes from years ago, and reflect the thinking that goes along with that divisive mentality. Also, I believe that some blacks struggle with self hate and this causes them to degrade themselves or other black people. We should rise above it. Even if a black person may have a different viewpoint than another black person, we should be able to respect that without name calling. How can we say we want to be judged as individuals by others if we do not respect that fact ourselves?

Zumaria

I second Cocoa's emotion. I was with Qwerty for a minute but she lost me on the last lap. Looks like you might of touched a nerve with that sister and she took this really personally. Anyway, I aint mad at her. Now to answer your question, YES. I agree that the labelling is certainly divisive. And like Cocoa said, it has always been this way with us. I could go into further detail but I don't want to give the racists here too much ammunition. Lets just say that history has not been kind to us. We have an evil (but intelligently designed) identity crisis. They did a real job on us and this is part of the reason http://thetalkingdrum.com/wil.html

KRS

Yes, it is divisive, but due to our ignorance of seeing the diversity and the multiplicity within our community. We are not homogeneous group, but we are targeted as a group. See, the Willie Lynch mentality is heavenly embedded in our culture and in American history. To my surmise, all African Americans want to see the growth of the community, educationally ,economically, and financially. The problem is that we all claimed to be the Authentic" African American. The middle class despise the poor. The lighter shade despise the darker. The conservative despise the liberal and etc, etcetera We all Africans, we all have different ideas, visions, lifestyles, cultures, and faith. We have to open our eyes and see the different cultures within our community.

Mind2Mind

Yes, it's divisive. But I swear I've never heard a Black person call another one a "coon".

GiGi

Yes and no. Sometimes we as blacks are our own worst enemies. However, if a black dates outside of his race, and lives in a wealthy neighboorhood, but WAIT, forgets where he came from and shuns his own people(you know not helping them, denying them), THEN he's a sellout. But just living in an upscale area, does not make one a sell out. It's the American dream.

Joel S

I don't use any derogatory term to describe anyone. But I can easily say that yes it does divide blacks.

DARIA. - JOINED MAY 2006

Sometimes... I don't label someone who dates outside of their race a sellout. However if a black person decides to talk bad about black people while praising people of other races, then they're a sell out... Amongst other things. I don't consider that to be divisive at all. That isn't me thinking they're against me and other black people, they ARE against me and other black folks... That's just me calling a spade a spade and this person is no longer worthy of me having their proverbial back. And sometimes, YES the name calling does go a bit too far... But it's tough love really. And I think black people are tougher on black people than they are anyone else because it stings more to see us be less than we are capable of. It stings to see us not live up to our full potential.

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